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Poland goes bankrupt?


delphiandomine  86 | 17823  
31 Jan 2011 /  #91
There's an election coming soon, why don't they do something about it?

Sorry, but every single Solidarity-backed government has been a failure, except the first one - and even that fell apart very quickly.

Quite frankly, the people of Poland only have themselves to blame for wanting low taxes and high social care.
SeanBM  34 | 5781  
31 Jan 2011 /  #92
I'm sorry, but I don't see much alternative in Poland - people wouldn't accept Estonian-style cuts. Remember, this is the country where railway workers go on hunger strike over a few redundancies!

So what do you think is going to happen?

Do you vote here Delphy?

Interesting thread.
Ziemowit  14 | 3936  
31 Jan 2011 /  #93
What does 'going bankrupt' mean exactly for a country? None of the P.I.I.G.S has gone bankrupt so far ...
delphiandomine  86 | 17823  
31 Jan 2011 /  #94
So what do you think is going to happen?

It's very hard to say. Almost certainly, PO will win the election and PiS will lose. Apart from that, it's impossible to tell - it depends what the PJN and Palikot parties do. Either way, I don't think PO will have a clear mandate (45%+) to govern, though they should be able to form some sort of workable coalition. It's worth pointing out that at the minute, the government only has a majority of 10.

Either way, I don't think PO will lose power, but I don't think they'll have such a strong grip on it, either.

Do you vote here Delphy?

Yep, in the elections that I can. Spoiled my vote in the 2nd round of the Poznan Presidential election, too ;)
Ziemowit  14 | 3936  
31 Jan 2011 /  #95
Apart from that, it's impossible to tell - it depends what the PJN and Palikot parties do.

All likelihood is that neither Palikot nor PJN count in the game irrecpective of whether they choose to do anything or not. It is clear for everyone who observes the political scene in Poland that Palikot is nothing more than a showman who naively thought he might form a new quality in politics, while Kluzik-Rostkowska and her PJN have just been slowly sliding into the political black hole since the very creation of their movement ...
Lodz_The_Boat  32 | 1522  
31 Jan 2011 /  #96
In the next 20 years, Chinese GDP will cross that of USA ...

China ... the next Super Power? ... I wonder ...

In anyways, I would like the Poles to always have better relations with the Chinese. They are quite a clever nation ...
Raj_ryder  10 | 106  
31 Jan 2011 /  #97
In the next 20 years, Chinese GDP will cross that of USA ...

Hardly surprising considering the population of China is nearly 4 times that of the USA. Despite being such a large economy, people in the BRIC countries will still be dirt poor as compared to the west. A large economy has little to do with Per capita income or living standards, both of which will be better in the west for atleast another 60 years. To top it all, the system in China will need to undergo change or we'll see something like a solidarity movement but way more bloodier considering how vast and diverse China is. China's future, though bright, is rocky as well. Something which people forget these days considering everybody is buusy bashing the West.

In anyways, I would like the Poles to always have better relations with the Chinese.

That would be nice.
Ironside  50 | 12435  
31 Jan 2011 /  #98
There's an election coming soon, why don't they do something about it?

Because is easer to congregate for a bad purpose than for good:)

Sorry, but every single Solidarity-backed government has been a failure, except the first one - and even that fell apart very quickly.

Solidarity or not there was always strong element of ex-commie security forces plus party members and their lackeys in key position - it is simple enough to grasp!

Quite frankly, the people of Poland only have themselves to blame for wanting low taxes and high social care.

Really? As if all taxes were spend on social care ? What a pile of rubbish !
delphiandomine  86 | 17823  
31 Jan 2011 /  #99
All likelihood is that neither Palikot nor PJN count in the game irrecpective of whether they choose to do anything or not. It is clear for everyone who observes the political scene in Poland that Palikot is nothing more than a showman who naively thought he might form a new quality in politics, while Kluzik-Rostkowska and her PJN have just been slowly sliding into the political black hole since the very creation of their movement ...

Well - one thing you have to bear in mind is that Palikot's movement does have quite a lot of appeal in Poland from the liberals who voted for PO because there was no-one else - indeed, in terms of students, they've got quite a lot of support. Palikot is also enough of a showman to ensure that people keep talking about him. Looking at what he's been doing, there's certainly enough support there to take 5-7% of the vote. Likewise with the PJN lot - though I reckon *if* they do enough to get into the Sejm, then they'll come back into the PiS fold in exchange for Kaczynski's head (after another defeat).

I'd say it's far too early to speculate on just how the new factions will do in the elections.

Solidarity or not there was always strong element of ex-commie security forces plus party members and their lackeys in key position - it is simple enough to grasp!

And you're trying to tell me that these people purposefully hurt Poland? It's that kind of paranoid attitude that holds Poland back.

Really? As if all taxes were spend on social care ? What a pile of rubbish !

They certainly don't want to pay the extra 10% or so that Poland needs to pay for all these social welfare schemes.
Ironside  50 | 12435  
31 Jan 2011 /  #100
They certainly don't want to pay the extra 10% or so that Poland needs to pay for all these social welfare schemes.

What are you implying? Taxes pay for everything government does, they should looking for cuts in spendings, not to blame social care for they thieving!

And you're trying to tell me that these people purposefully hurt Poland? It's that kind of paranoid attitude that holds Poland back.

I'm saying that those people don't give a **** about Poland, Poles or the like, they look just for their own gain. They are totally immoral and devoid of social or national bonds !

As for being paranoid, that BS, I say how it is in reality, otherwise they overt influence should be beneficial for Poland. We can observe that is disastrous in every way!
Chicago Pollock  7 | 503  
1 Feb 2011 /  #101
The Chinese are light years ahead of the best and the brightest currently taking up space in Washington who tout wind/solar power and high speed rail as the best examples of American scientific achievement.

In the next 20 years, Chinese GDP will cross that of USA ...

China ... the next Super Power? ... I wonder ...

In anyways, I would like the Poles to always have better relations with the Chinese. They are quite a clever nation ...

Not the point. It doesn't matter how advanced the Chinese are. The Point is Poland needs jobs. It doesn't take a genius to build roads and bridges.

Annnnd...if Poland wants economic development they need infrastructure. Economic development is not just about cheap labor.
Ironside  50 | 12435  
2 Feb 2011 /  #102
if Poland wants economic development they need infrastructure.

What is Poland?
Chicago Pollock  7 | 503  
2 Feb 2011 /  #103
Poland is a sovereign state. The above answers are, "if I were King".
sovereign_man  - | 19  
2 Feb 2011 /  #104
Geez, welcome to the club, it seems today every modern nation on the planet are bankrupt. Why is that?

The only people who are not bankrupt are tribes that are still living in the stone age. They are lucky, they haven't had the rothchilds, rockefellars, clintons, bushes, obamas, Mubaraks and all other corrupt dictators to ruin their society.
AdamKadmon  2 | 494  
2 Feb 2011 /  #105
There are two threads one above the other:

"Poland could emerge as new European and world power.
"Poland is going bankrupt"

Which one is true? Maybe both?

"I hadn't known there were so many idiots in the world until I started using the Internet"

Stanisław Lem
milky  13 | 1656  
2 Feb 2011 /  #106
The only people who are not bankrupt are tribes that are still living in the stone age. T

They(stone-age tribes) probably have more 'disposable income' than the average Polish worker.
Chicago Pollock  7 | 503  
3 Feb 2011 /  #107
The only people who are not bankrupt are tribes that are still living in the stone age. They are lucky, they haven't had the rothchilds, rockefellars, clintons, bushes, obamas, Mubaraks and all other corrupt dictators to ruin their society.

They just have to worry about getting killed by the neighboring tribe.

It's like the fellow who moved to the wilds of Alaska to live off the land..."gotta get that moose".
PlasticPole  7 | 2641  
3 Feb 2011 /  #108
it seems today every modern nation on the planet are bankrupt

China not.
Chicago Pollock  7 | 503  
3 Feb 2011 /  #109
Bankruptcy is no big deal, you just rearrange your debts. And as for China, they have bigger economic problems than you think.
guesswho  4 | 1272  
3 Feb 2011 /  #110
And as for China, they have bigger economic problems than you think.

oh yeah, much bigger. I was trying to explain it to everyone here but not too many people seem to listen because it's not about our American problems.

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