Poland gets a little bigger:)

It is more interesting to see how Poland acted in 1938. Instead of trying to build allegiances with her neighbours, Poland invaded one and threatened to invade another unless it agreed to Poland's illegal occupation of part of that country!

Yes they were the war commenced on February 1919. And preparations had to made earlier-like I said the bulk of the army was in the east.


Remind me if I am wrong, but I don't believe they made a declaration of war-COWARDLY.

That's where the crux of the problem rests, greed:

" Historian Richard M. Watt writes, "On 5 November 1918, the Poles and the Czechs in the region disarmed the Austrian garrison (...) The Poles took over the areas that appeared to be theirs, just as the Czechs had assumed administration of theirs. Nobody objected to this friendly arrangement (...) Then came second thoughts in Prague. It was observed that under the agreement of 5 November, the Poles controlled about a third of the duchy's coal mines."

In which case, it probably wasn't the best of times to go breaking an interim agreement with a neighbouring country, which is what Poland did.


You overlook that it was Poland which broke the interim agreement, not Czechoslovakia.

Also, it seems that Prague wasn't the only place where there were second thoughts. The very day after the interim agreement was signed Polish forces entered Spis. And stayed there for a month.


Remind me if I'm wrong but I don't believe that Poland made a declaration of war any of the three times it invaded Czechoslovakia - COWARDLY cubed.

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No I don't think so: "'The Czechs realized that they had given away rather a lot (...) It was recognized that any takeover in Teschen would have to be accomplished in a manner acceptable by the victorious Allies (...), so the Czechs cooked up a tale that the Teschen area was becoming Bolshevik (...) The Czechs put together a substantial body of infantry - about 15,000 men - and on 23 January 1919, they invaded the Polish-held areas. To confuse the Poles, the Czechs recruited some Allied officers of Czech background and put these men in their respective wartime uniforms at the head of the invasion forces. After a little skirmishing, the tiny Polish defense force was nearly driven out"

That is really low and underhand-actions of a coward. How ironic that they brought the Bolsheviks into this, seeing how they actually aided and abetted the attempted bolshevik takeover of Poland.

We should also remind ourselves that this all started because of Czech revisionasim, the respective Czech and Polish local governments in the area agreed on a division of the area along lines respectful of nationality, only for the Czechs to come along and cause a dispute.

You mean 'sign a treaty and the very next day attack the nation who you signed it with'? Remind me which nation did that. Wasn't it Poland?


Keep repeating your lie: it still won't be true. Poland broke the interim agreement the day after it was signed and then Poland broke it again a second time. When they broke it the second time they were told to stop breaking it and then forced to stop breaking it. And then after Poland had agreed where the border would be in a formal multi-national agreement, Poland invaded for a second time.

And where exactly did you get this information from? I provided a source, unless I see anything to verify what you said I will have to consider it a lie, as I am sure any fair minded individual reading this thread would conclude


I will be happy to substantiate the above with a quote from Norman Davies in addition to the one I have provided above.

This guy makes a living writing about restaurants :)

In the meantime I am glad that we have established that the Poles were making war preparations in the east, whilst the Czechs decided to invade Poland at the time disregarding the views of the Polish majority in the area. And later assisted the bolshevik invasion of Poland by withholding access to the Hungarian cavalry.

nice clip Darius thanx. Kinda odd though, i hardly hear Polish people in America say nice things about Czechs, i must admit from maybe 20 or so Czechs I've met here i only liked one or two. The men are usually very two faced, women are much nicer. Slovaks I've met every single one was nice good friendly people.

Precisely the same place where you got yours from. The difference is that you were quoting from an article which has a Polish name (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zaolzie, hugely impartial, eh?) while I was taking info from the one about Polish-Czechoslovak border conflicts.


Yes, please do give us a quote from a man who writes about the London Victory parade and gets the year wrong and who makes up the location of archives he claims to have researched.


Poles were actually at war: with the people who became their allies and were later sold to the USSR. No wonder you like to claim it was the Soviets that they were fighting!


Both sides had agreed a treaty: Poland broke it first and then broke it again.


As a general rule, when you invade people's countries they are not disposed to help you in any way.

Hey! I'm half Czech and I resent your racist / nationalist remarks ;-p

only one Latin American who just wondering on the Net can say something like this on Polish forums.

i actually don`t know why Poles tolerate all those strangers here (i guess, its that traditional Slavic hospitality in them). i mean, i understand what Serbs doing here. Serbians are practically southern Poles. As for others, i really don`t know. Poles are too much tolerant.

imagine `Holy Roman Empire`. What an evil provocation. Just imagine what could Zawisha the Black of Garbowo say on that


its all Slavic land and its ok. Poland and Czech Republic giving example to the rest of Slavic world how to behave in a case of any similar border dispute. Hold strangers out of inter-Slavic things and that`ll solve half of the problem.

Poles, Czechs! salute from Novi Sad Serbia! My respect

Blimey, PennBoy. You should take a trip to Slovakia then - your opinion will soon change ;)

(just ask the Hungarians)

Or as some people call it Upper Hungary(:

They're nice to Poles in America and obviously in Europe also they're not the 2nd most liked by us for nothing. I dunno maybe they're pan Slavic and don't like others.

It was a sideshow mostly fought by locals, the real thing was to come and needed thorough preparation-seeing as the Bolsheviks were strengthening their troops on the Polish border in advance.


Remind me if I am wrong, but I don't recall a clause in the treaty which stated "In the event of this treaty being broken by a particular country, the said country should be invaded by the other country"


Indeed and the Poles didn't even demand so much as a thank you for agreeing to support them against the USSR-seeing as how completely incapable of fighting for themselves they were. After seeing how absolutely incapable they were, and how little support they enjoyed among their own-can you blame them, who believes in the continuity of some mythical Ukrainian state? They realized that they had put their money on the wrong horse and decided to abide by the age old Ukrainian tactic, of giving up for the protection of mother Russia-aka Chmielnitsky.

I wonder if this is the beginning of "territorial arrangements" between Poland and its neighbors.

"most of the area was taken over by local Polish authorities. The short-lived interim agreement of 2 November 1918 reflected the inability of the two national councils to come to final delimitation,[2] and on 5 November 1918 the area was divided between Poland and Czechoslovakia by another interim agreement.[3] In 1919 the councils were absorbed by the newly created and independent central governments in Prague and Warsaw."

This source you provided Harry is a half truth and incomplete. The councils did in fact come to an agreement but sly and revisionist Benes managed to persuade the allies to put the item on the agenda, Poland agreed on the understanding that a plebiscite would be held in the area under discussion, however Benes went back on his words and there was no plebiscite, and so the Poles had no choice but to respect the wishes of the local population.

I will be happy to back this up with Davies and Zamoyski, Did you know of Benes's dishonesty Harry?


Yes I totally agree, as the Czechs found to their cost in the Second War.

Luckily this is all ancient history..

Relations between Poland and our Czech brothers are the best they have ever been. The goverments are coperating on many issues, from EU policies to cracking down on dopalacze. I lived in prague for a year and smolensk has a big attitude towards their friendship with poles.

forsal.pl/artykuly/501429,polska_i_czechy_przygotowuja_sie_do_polaczenia_rynkow_energii.html

We are even integrating energy structures.

The future is bright, there are many polish people living in prague and they are welcomed.

A lovely version of history but one that leaves out a couple of tiny facts: firstly, Poland broke the interim agreement by sending troops into Czechoslovakia the day after the agreement was signed; secondly, Poland broke the treaty a second time by organising elections in the disputed area and it was when Poland refused to stop those elections that Czechoslovak forces stepped in.

Dress it up any way you want: Poland broke the treaty twice and suffered for it.

When you say that it was Poland who broke the agreement for the first time you are only partially right, because the truth is that it was the local Poles who formed the majority of the local Population who started a local uprising against Czech rule-which they were perfectly entitled to do, since you can't force people to be part of a nation they do not want to be a part of. That is why Benes had to keep his original pledge and agree to a plebiscite.

As for the elections held in the area, just a technicality used by the Czechs as an excuse to get their hands on the coal reserves in the area, they would't have dared if Poland wasn't engaged in the east. Besides what kind of a stupid treaty is it, that disenfranchises people of their right to participate in the democratic process?

If its up to me, Poland would be much bigger. Much. That way Europe would be much better and much nicer place.

If we speak frankly and take history in account, entire west of Europe should be split between Poland and hopefully newly emerging Slavic state of Lusatian Serbia. That if we are to be honest and seek for real solution based on real ethnicity of people in what is now western Europe.

But, exactly that is the reason why some seek to import new settlers in Europe and change reality of ethnicity here once and for all. By the old Roman recipe, as they did in Dacia, what is now Romania.