Poland gets a little bigger:)

Are you retarded? I have specifically stated above that Petliura's men were allied to Poland.


His country was sold to the Soviets, his men were put into internment camps and his people lost all the rights Poland had agreed that they would have. But to you that is a 'good deal'. You clearly are retarded.

Again a demonstration that Harry's tiny brain cell is in funk struggling to pick its direction

Because than he says:


The fact that the Ukrainians proved incapable resisting the Bolsheviks is no fault of Poland.

Please learn to read: I said that Poland was not fighting against Ukrainian Bolshevism in January of 1919. At that time Poland was fighting the non-Bolshevik Ukrainians who became Poland's allies when Poland needed them and were then stabbed in the back and sold to the Soviets when Poland no longer needed them.

Look at those brave chaps giving those Russkies a run for their money, and taking old Petlura under their wing as well:)

youtube.com/watch?v=uJX0MJotVyE


well obviously they must have acknowledged the validity of Poland's claim since they became Poland's allies.

I am sure that Poland was gracious enough to forgive them their previous misdemeanor:)

Especially that silly business over Brestlitovsk.

Interesting that your own source states "After minor clashes in 1919, border skirmishes escalated into open warfare." But earlier in this thread you were insisting that "when Poland was busy keeping the red peril at bay, the Czechs seized their opportunity". So even your own source shows that you are a liar!

Interesting how when you are on a hiding to nothing, you draw the conversation to some obscure point of contention:) Yes they were keeping the Red peril at bay, minor clashes or large clashes are pure semantics. The fact is that they anticipated a larger conflict and had to act accordingly, by placing their troops in the right area. Surely you are bright enough to realize that mobilizing an army takes months not a few days, though I fear I assume to much:)

Good on those Lads from the Cavalry putting up such spirited resistance:)

youtube.com/watch?v=nzR4mzOvSgs

And how considerate are they to their prisoners of war, they even let them pick and peel their own potatoes from the field.

youtube.com/watch?v=b6pXkpsdyuo&feature=related

The first clashes took place in the second half of February. The Polish-Czechoslovak war had already finished by then.


The fact is that at the start of 1919 Poland was fighting against the forces of the Ukrainian National Republic.


I am but most Poles aren't: that is why they criticise Britain for not attacking Germany in the six before Poland was over-run in 1939.

That was the one i was actually looking for about the prisoners.

youtube.com/watch?v=55tquCLbQZA&feature=related

And a deserved last goodbye for the Hero who was partly responsible for making it all happen.

youtube.com/watch?v=aSHAf53Qsec

As described by presumably a BBC journalist.

youtube.com/watch?v=aSHAf53Qsec


I fear that you are trying to be to clever by half Harry, the point is that no troops could have been spared because they were mobilized in the east, and the Czech attack was unexpected.


You see Harry the difference is that they had months of planning in advance, for exactly such an eventuality. That is not to say that I blame the Brits, because frankly speaking they were simply not ready.

I agree that not many troops could be spared because they were serving in the east. Your claim that they were "keeping the Red peril at bay" is the lie. As is you claim that the Czech attack was unexpected: Poland was reminded of the terms of the interim agreement and then the Czechs demanded that Poland keep to the terms of the interim agreement. Poland thought it could do whatever it wanted: Poland was wrong.

Harry either it is me or you that seems to have problems with the English language.

Definition of at bay:

a. (of a person or animal) forced to turn and face attackers the dogs held the deer at bay
b. at a distance to keep a disease at bay

If English is such a struggle for you Harry, i will be happy to debate with you in Polish, how does that sound?

And yes you are right they were wrong, they did not suppose that a country not in existence for some half a millennium, would be so craven and opportunistic as to stab Poland in the back while it was occupied with other things, over a piece of territory with a predominantly Polish population. Only to roll over sever years later and be swallowed up by the Germans, it is exactly such stupidity that could have altered the course of WWII.

Liar. It was 120 million roubles.

By the way, where's a copy of the document evidencing the alliance? I'd like to have a look at the terms and obligations.

I also used to think it was that much. However, the terms of the treaty make it clear that it was actually 30 million in cash and 29 million in railway equipment.

A cursory perusal shows the links you provided all go to the same document extract, which appears to be a treaty btwn SU, Pol and UKR from 1921, not the document formalising the alliance between Pol and UKR, which is what I want to see.

Must have been most cursory if you failed to note that there is only one link in my post and hence were surprised to see that each time you click it you are brought to the same document.

I don't have a link to the treaty of Warsaw to hand but the wikipedia article about it is well referenced.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Warsaw_%281920%29

Czech Republic hands over land to Poland

Due to a mapping mistake made more than 50 years ago, the Czech Republic has to hand over to Poland 365 hectares of land situated in the Western Sudety mountains.

Due to an error made in the 50s when setting national borders , Poland, Czech Republic to give 365 acres of land located in the Western Sudetes . Against the decision of the authorities in Prague rebel governments .

The Ministry of Internal Affairs in Prague, Poland intends to convey fragment Liberec Region , lying on the so-called . frydlandzkim promontory between Swieradow - Zdroj and Bogatynia . In total, this will be an area five times the size of Warsaw's Royal Baths Park.

Every little bit helps ;)

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It's an ongoing exercise. We've been giving them some land over the years as well. It has to do with individual plots of lands being split by the border, which complicates life for the owners.

No, Poland took land (or tried to) in each of its invasions of Czechoslovakia in 1918, 1919, 1938 (with the Nazis) and 1968 (with the commies). Care to list the Czech invasions?

And what does it have to do with this issue ?

Czechoslovakia received 1205.9 hectares from Poland and Poland received 837.46 hectares. SO this is what was owed to Poland since the 50s nothing more, looks like nice land ;-)

Harry, you are so way boring. Czechs are the most liked nation now in PL (surprise?). Who cares about 3 hundred hectares of land anyway.

I can believe it but any proff of that?

Google that. And as to Czech invasion look up when bolsheviks attacked us, then they made their move. Then they took Zaolzie. But now we do not care anymore about that. There are still some poles in that area though. Live and let live.

care to read some history book?why are You taking a voice on a forum about a topic You clearly haqve no idea about?i just dont get this kind of people

yes, there is a proof:

youtu.be/OU7AKSFZFVM

To me, it's all a part of the Holy Roman Empire. But i guess I'm just living in the past.

I like the Czech people alot. Have some really nice friends there, they are really a good bunch of people. We Poles have much to learn too from some of their ways ...

Oh dear, I was wondering when we'd be hearing that particular lie again. For the record: Czechoslovak forces started their operations on 23 January 1919 (after Poland broke the interim agreement agreed in 1918) and ceased their operations on 31 January 1919. The first armed clashes of the Polish-Soviet war took place on 14 - 16 February near the towns of Maniewicze and Biaroza in Belarus. As part of this 57 Polish soldiers and 5 officers attacked Soviet forces in the town of Biaroza in what has become known as the Battle of Bereza Kartuska. Yes, that same Bereza Kartuska....

I thought we had already discussed this, Polish forces were concentrated in the east awaiting the war with the Bolsheviks, the Czechs took this opportunity-in true cowardly fashion to attack Poland, going to great lengths such as dressing their soldiers in foreign uniforms in preparation for the attack. Their knavery was well and truly confirmed when they gave support to the Bolsheviks in conjunction with the Germans-who hoped Poland would be overrun, when they refused to give access to Hungarian calvary that wanted to assist Poland.

Besides, lets not let stories get in way of the fact that the population concerned was overwhelmingly Polish and wanted to belong to a Polish state-which the Czechs knew very well. The real issue at stake for the Czechs were the rich coal deposits they had their eyes on, and they couldn't allow the referendum to proceed which would have confirmed the rejection of Czech nationality in the area.

Their action was inspired by the same sort of bravery which resulted in them being taken over without a shot being fired in the Second War.

No they were not: they were actually fighting against the Ukrainians. Those same Ukrainians who then became allies of Poland and were sold to the USSR when Poland no longer needed them.


Actually they requested that Poland stopped its preparations to break the interim agreement signed in 1918. When Poland refused to do that, the Czechoslovaks acted.


That's a lovely lie. But you'd better sanitise wikipedia: it currently says "On 23 January 1919 at 11:00 in Cieszyn Silesia Polish commander Franciszek Latinik and Czechoslovak officer Josef Šnejdárek met with a group of officers, consisting of English, French, Italian and U.S. representatives (at the request of the Czechoslovak party). The Polish side was given an ultimatum, that they evacuate the area to the Biała River in less than two hours. After the expiry of this period the Czechoslovak army started its operations at 13:00 following its operational guidelines to seize Bohumín and Karviná."


And who was first to invade Czech territory? Poland. Got in there even before the Nazis. Good work guys.

To be honest, the history of Poland at that time is filled with such events - while I don't know much about what the Czechs were doing, it's incredibly interesting to look at how the Polish policy towards her neighbours in 1918-1922 more or less led directly to her defeat in 1939.