Germany provoke Poland using Silesian question. Poland's attitude ?

Because the Silesian are as much German as Polish or Czech... Will you get it into your brain finally?


Unluckily, you comment on something you do not know anything about.

Poles are Serbs ;) ;)

Any numbers to back that up, AS?

Serbians are Polish elite since the middle age. Before that, Poles were Serbian elite

What numbers? Numbers "prove" that Polish Silesians are Poles and the Czech Silesian are Czech. Of course, German Oberschlesier are all German. What makes me rather surprised Seanus is you were at a Silesian wedding (hopefully it was in some sąsiedztwo = neighbourhood), you eat Silesian meal every day and you still cannot see the reality.

Just cross the Brynica river, say something in Silesian aloud and you'll have your numbers printed on your face ;-)

Of course. Silly me.

AS, your English suggested that Silesia is 1/3, 1/3, 1/3 in terms of numbers between German, Polish and Czech. You are painting it far too black+white, AS. They are often hybrids like my parents in law. They are mixed. Both of their mothers were pure German. However, they spoke Polish to them. My mother in law speaks more Silesian than my father in law but they both see themselves as Silesian.

I am surprised, Torq, that you didn't figure it out earlier ;)

you know Nathane, in one moment of history, Ukrainians were Serbian elite, too

Crow, are you aware of any forceful demands from the German side as it is a mute point here? The various separatist movement marches here don't garner too much support. Much ado about nothing!

I know, Crow. But why only a moment? :)

Tusk has neatly sidestepped the issue as it is a future hot potato. The Kashub should know a thing or two about not being really Polish :)

I must then say sorry for my poor English, Sean. If you read some post of mine I wrote before, you could read different ethnic groups melted into Silesians long time ago. From the moment the concept of nationalism started ruling fates of nations, Silesians were forced to assume the nationality of the State currently at the power. This does not change the fact the Silesians remain the Silesians.

Your example, Sean, is very good. One of my friends living in lower Silesia is born of both German parents, still she cannot speak German at all and she identifies herself as a Pole. I know many people in Silesia with both grandparents being German; and such people cannot speak German, yet they visit their grandparents in the Heimat ;-)

Having partly Silesian family, you should be aware who's hanys and who's gorol the best, shouldn't you?

Well, it is easier having a Silesian family in law, yes :) However, it is not full-on by any extent. As I said before, it is stronger the closer to Katowice you go. I couldn't understand some things those 'Chorzowians' said ;) However, my wife also didn't understand the word 'dołza' when I wrote it to her the other day and she is much more Silesian than I will ever be, more by default than by language.

Your English is far from poor. Like native speakers, myself very much included, it can be loose but that's no shame.

They melted together to try and form one fabric, yes. I know a guy from Cieszyn and he acknowledges the Czech movements from there and around Silesia.

The problem the Silesians are facing, Sean, is they don't know which way to go themselves. You mentioned Marek Szołtysek once. The guy is respected as a Silesian Moses ;-) yet he believes the Silesian is a dialect, and this is not a popular view in Ruda Śląska, for instance. Based on my understanding of the Silesian mentality, they will just let the things happen.

Which way to go? You mean to separate or not? There is a certain laissez-faire mentality here, you are right. My answer has already been stated above in that they will only start speaking out if their identity is threatened. Again, just a standard human response. I often maintain also that such movements come from bored minds. I mean, what is stopping people from being Silesian here in Silesia? It can freely embrace its diversity.

Amen.

Crow, ever been to Silesia? You can learn much from people here and also highlanders :) Just to get you back on topic, you understand? ;)

only when i traveled to Kwidzyn because of business :)

people

people, did you notice how is Germany opened for talks about eventual new split of Poland`s territories? Did you notice that attitude? Such an attitude of German state is clear, more and more open.

but, with whom Germany wants to talk? Well, who offers more

i am more and more sure that only closer Polish-Serbian ties guaranties future of both- Poles and Serbs.

now back to your donkey, crow

i go, i go

Crow, I'm still waiting for proof of that provocation ;) ;)

Poland and Serbia are in deep sh** again. We are on the way to the new wave of `drang nach osten`

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The Krauts are sinister. We can never trust them.

I know/read Lech Kacyznski was born in Warsaw. But, his root is Silesian?

I don't think anything will change in the near future. Silesians can practise their various traditions and there is no need to make any changes.

shut up!
shut up, Crow with such zoological points of view about all-Slavic fraternity!! Poles, Silasians that prefer to be Silesians then Silesian-Poles and Serbs all are Slavic brothers. And Russians too!

Exactly. That was my point here.

Your point is that nobody can trust the Germans?
How do you feel about the fact that Germans are happy to admit about their country's wrong doing while your beloved Russians still deny the invasion of Poland in 1939. Is it part of your "brotherly love" to just ignore that historical fact? Do you want to discuss Katyn or do you start to shut up?

Kaliningrad should be given to Poland as compensation for Katyn. It was doing by that mad Georgian Stalin but, fact is that ethnic Russians were involved.


we Slavs, if wise, won`t trust them.

Just a pity that all your "brothers" turn their back on you.......