Germany provoke Poland using Silesian question. Poland's attitude ?

Might be Turkish :)

Of course there is, everybody knows what happened to the non-slav only Silesians!

But your attitude stinks: "Look ma - no Germans, all good Slavs only"!

Gah

Silesia will become what it once was, a flourishing center of trading and living for three peoples...the Germans, the Poles and the Czechs.
Better get used to the Germans...they have been part of these lands for 2 millennia!

There were no Germans, BB. I didn't say that was a bad or a good thing, did I? There are Slavs that I don't like. People are people.

I don't see a large German presence, BB. You can freely travel under the EU but this land is dominated by Slavic, Silesian Poles. That's just the way it is!

Because there isn't any anymore!
But to speak of true Silesians as "slavs only" as you did is like speaking of good Germans = Aryans only!

There were only Slavs at that party. I was referring to a party, BB. Too much schnapps? ;)

You KNOW that this is my button....please be more careful in the future would you!

*grumbles...get's helmet....leaves*

You even say rumors, waste of time, CASE CLOSED !!!

Button? I don't follow, BB :( I am not anti-German, BB. They have helped out the EU immeasurably but all I want to do is to report the reality on the ground as best as it can be discerned here.

call it as you wish but, just google those rumors. After all, look how Germany penetrated to Yugoslavs. Why not to Poles, too?

you called it rumors yourself, READ WHAT YOU WROTE !

To use the Silesian question as one of potential friction would just be wrong!

During yesterday`s summit Tusk said: 20 years ago Poland and Germany signed a treaty of partnership which completely changed relations between our countries.Today, our relations can set an example to whole Europe.


Be careful. Crow will use it to say that Tusk is a werewolf.

e.pardon.pl/pa969/32c0a8060029520446d1b366

I said no such thing, Comrade

Silesian is a Polish Dialect.

If anything it is more like Czech than German.

Yea, not to rain on anyone's parade, but the Silesia issue is much like the Macedonian-Greek one. Pointless nationalist debate for sour outcomes after last centuries conflicts and political outcomes. I guess some borders were never meant to be changed? I mean idk, I've been to Wroclaw quite a couple times and the people there consider themselves Polish and Polish alone...I see nothing German about the city...maybe surrounding areas?

Todays Silesians live in Upper Silesia, not Lower Silesia.
And Wroclaw looks German, Bohemian, Austrian, but not very Polish.

So after 2 pages I still have no idea what "rumors" this thread is about.
Can anyone actually point me out something german politicians/officials said in regards to Silesia recently?
Because here on the western side of the eternal front you really don't here much about Silesia or Poland in recent times.

Or am I right to conclude that Crow is just talking out of his arse?


Ah, yes. That super important name conflict down there. Thankfully it doesn't exist in the german language, we just call the country "Mazedonien" and the region in Greece "Makedonien". Case solved ;)

See,... fact that you took 2 pages of this represent great compliment to me. Thank you

It is, just as Kashubian.

True Silesians are neither Polish nor German nor Czech. They are historically Silesians.

Saying otherwise is admitting the Scottish are historically English/Welsh/Irish.

The Scotti came from Ireland into what would later be named Scotland after them, so the Scots are historically Irish.

The Silesians came from all over Europe to the uninhabited lands in what is now called Silesia, Poles, Germans, Czech, other nations. They were able to melt in the pot long before any notion of the nation in the modern sense was ever created. This nation is called the Silesians, they live on both banks of the Olza/Olše River, in the Polish Śląsk and the Czech Slezko, and the language is the Silesian.

The picture has been blurred to some extent because the Silesians identifying themselves as German were exiled to Germany or left to Germany on their own accord after WWII.

yeah and you tried to make the point that it's just as ridiculous to say the Scots are Irish as it is to say Silesians are German. You fell down with that argument, because the Scots are descended from an Irish tribe called the Scotti who invaded what would alter be named Scotland after them

He doesn't know this though, because he's never been to Poland and knows nothing about it.

I wonder if he even knows what Lemkos are.

it must be very limiting to go through life rejecting opinions from people who haven't been to Poland, as if setting your foot on the Polish soil imparted some special kind of wisdom upon you, not available to anyone else... If it is indeed some magic dirt you have there, it sure ain't working for dope...

Besides, how can you assume that someone has never been to Poland? Do you keep a list of all the visitors in the past 40 years?

Who cares of you classify it as a language or a dialect? Apparently there is quite a discussion going among linguists, which is all nice and peachy but I bet even the people who speak Silesian as their native tongue don't give a rat's a$s how you classify it.

With the borders moving back and forth, it's all such a mixture of cultures anyway. Would Ligon, Morcinek, or Szewczyk be offended or insist on correcting you if you called them Polish? If people feel Polish (German/Czech) first and Silesian second, are they not "true" Silesians? Why insist on categories?

Poland and Germany are both in the EU, there won't be a war over Silesia, a fourth uprising, or even another Plebiscyt. Most people are more concerned about living their lives than drawing borders or making up categories.

My point is the settlers to Silesia were Slavic, Germanic, Italian, whoever in Europe was looking for land, went to Silesia at that time. What can you make out of the name Spirro, one of early settler family there, living in Silesia to this day?

Your point was rather funny because you tried to say that it was only one ethnic group that settled in Silesia. And... do you think Scottish are Scottish or Irish today? Or, perhaps they are English since they speak English today?

Actually not everyone went to Silesia, it were mostly Slavs and later Germans. Todays Silesians are just unique because they live in the region were Pole, Czech and German culture met. This small region was Slavic, became Polonized, then Germanized, then Polonized again, then Czechified (during the Hussite era), Germanized and Polonized at the same time... it is a huge historic mess, lol. And todays Silesians are the result.

And this also means that everyone who was shaped by the complicated history of Silesia is a Silesian. Everyone who accepts Silesia as it is, with the Polish, German, Bohemian, Austrian and Prussian past, is a Silesian. And that's why todays Silesians are so unique. Unlike most other inhabitants of modern Silesia they accept every part of Silesia, not some selective fragments. This makes them truly Silesian, while the others are just people living in Silesia.

Those other people living in Silesia have a name, you know. They are called Poles. P-O-L-E-S :-)

It seems to me that some people are not aware of some very simple facts about Silesia today.

These facts are:

Upper Silesia: Germans - 32,000, Silesians - 148,000, Poles - 4,537,000 :-)
Lower Silesia: Germans - 2100, Silesians - none according to census, Poles - 2,905,000 :-)
Opolskie Vojvodship: Germans - 106,000, Silesians 24,000, Poles - 935,000 :-)

Overall: Germans - 140,100, Silesians 172,000, Poles - 8,377,000

percentage-wise: Poles 96.5%, others 3.5% :D

Ladies and Gentlemen, thank you for your attention.

is that because you agree or because you dosed off bored senseless...?
;)

I know that they are Poles, but my point is that they are no Silesians... unlike the people who lived there until '45.