Gazeta Wyborcza of Poland losing readers

Evidently you find the truth hard to swallow.

You also have no clue then about our press.

The only truth in all of this is that people are turning away from Gazeta Wyborcza.

Whose mouthpiece is GW aside form representing the interests of the post-KOR-ite clique?

According to Polczyt in 12.2012 - 01.2013 we have:
Fakt - 11,46%
Gazeta Wyborcza - 11,33%
Super Express - 5,31%
Metro - 4,42%
Przegląd Sportowy - 3,10%
Rzeczpospolita - 2,98%
etc.
It is not so bad then, but I would not miss for GW. It was a great newspaper for a long time with distinct democratic, enlightenment and civilization mission, but 10 y ago they decided to be a tabloid. Trivial news, stupid titles, mistakes, predictability, kitchen sensations, misrepresentations, etc. turns it down barely to any internet portal.

You mean Nasz Dziennik and Gazeta Polska of course.

Anyone interested, check into how GW emerged, how it got hijacked by the KOR-ites and how Wałęsa banned them using the Solidarność logo. What was to have been the organ of the Solidarność opposition movment got turned into a big corproation owned and operated by you know who's compatriots.

Who would they be?

People who didn't want to employ a talentless American hack who had spent the last couple of decades collaborating with the commie regime?

Michnik is NOT American! Honestly ...

Other things that Michnik is not include not being willing to employ a talentless American hack who collaborated with the commies for decades.

No. He is a Pole.

I think he once wrote they were Albanians.



perhaps ?

The growing feud between Rydzyk and the people behind Gazeta Polska/TV Republika et al is quite interesting ;)


We know the history. We know that Gazeta Wyborcza emerged as the voice of the intellectuals within Solidarność, and we know how those intellectuals rejected the worker concept of a socialist Poland.

...and how the KOR-ties turned it into a major geszeft making money not for the Solidarity opposition as originally intended but, without Wałęsa's or Solidarity's knowledge or approval, into a goldsmine serving that gang of Szechter compatriots known as Agora.

Except Solidarity at that time weren't in opposition, but were rather leading the Government.

You're drastically over-simplifying (on purpose) the whole situation at the time. Gazeta Wyborcza was just one wing of Solidarity among many others - and you know fine well that Solidarity was suffering from bitter infighting almost as soon as they took control of the Government. I see you also fail to mention how Solidarity (which, as a trade union, had swung very hard to the left economically) was fighting with even Walesa before the 1991 election.

Trying to say that Gazeta Wyborcza was "stolen" or other such nonsense is factually incorrect. You could easily say that Krzaklewski stole Solidarity from Walesa, too.

Still, at least Gazeta Wyborcza is owned by a publicly traded organisation with public accounts, rather than a shady foundation with closed books or a shady company with dubious South American backers.

It is very appropriate and true. After the Szechter ganf got into tjre Sejm on the coat-tails of the working class, the mood in their midst was roughly: Wałęsa has done his thing and can now return to Gdańsk while we run the show. Well, Wałęsa dressed them down at a meeting where he sternly lectured them and then withdrew Gazette's right to use the Solidairty logo. By then, the gezseft of Szechter & Co. had been firmly established. Indeed, throughout the entire 16-month Solidarity period before Jabberwocky's bloody crackdown there had been friction between the Prawdziwi Polacy and the korowcy.

No, it isn't. You're deliberately trying to portray Michnik in a bad light while forgetting that Walesa was fighting with many others within Solidarity at the same time. There was no 'right' and 'wrong' during that time - they were completely unprepared to operate as a political party and the bitter infighting reflects that.


Who is Szechter? Why do you keep using such a name when no-one with that name was involved with Gazeta Wyborcza?


Working class? An interesting distortion, but the reality was that Solidarity were elected by a broad section of society. In fact, Solidarity were most concerned about the possibility of the badly educated working classes voting for the Communists, which says something.


No, the mood was that Solidarity couldn't work as a political party because what had united them now divided them. The communists were psychologically destroyed as a party once they were removed from the Government - it was obvious that the game was over for them. But we all know the story - Solidarity broke into so many factions that it was impossible for anyone to maintain order. Certainly Walesa wasn't fit to deal with the responsibility of running Solidarity - his behaviour, even in 1980/1981 was of a man that preferred to isolate himself rather than keeping order. He had interesting parallels with Izetbegovic of Bosnia in this way.

You may also care to note that some of the people most interested in the rights of workers also broke away from Walesa.


Yes, because Gazeta Wyborcza supported Prime Minister Mazowiecki rather than Chairman Walesa. All part of the bitter infighting that took place at the time.


Who is Szechter and why do you keep referring to that person?


There was friction because the whole nature of Solidarity was that it was very decentralised. Then there was the fact that Solidarity was very much an uneasy alliance between workers and intellectuals - both needed each other to win.

By the way, it's Jaruzelski, not "Jabberwocky" or any other such names. I'm sure you never wrote Jabberwocky or even mentioned it before 1991, eh?

Delph, he wants to all costs "prove" that GW is a branch of the Jerusalem Post. That is why he is mixing (pseudo) Jewish (ah sorry, he once mentioned Albanians were leading GW) words in his postings.

Michnik's Father?

Lower case for a proper name is a spelling mistake in English, whether it refers to a beer brand or the Greatest President Free Poland has ever had.

It is not so komics-like story.
In 80-89' the followers of Polish independency had to play (or take part in) "Solidarity Trade Union" while followers of Russian domination (or just Russian representants) played "Communist Party". We all perfectly knew it.

But this hide and seek play had to finish after 1989 when Solidarity started to divide and ramify to dozens of groups and trends depriving Wałęsa his domain. After Wałęsa liberated himself from Geremek/Mazowiecki influences (and before he dropped under his own driver Influences - I don't remember the name) he had a short romance with Kaczyński and candidated for president. They unlished "the war on the top" (which ment a fratricidal war) and Wałęsa banned GW using the Solidarność logo 10 days before he declared his presidential candidacy. The campaign was obviously dirty, full of designations such as grandfather from the Wermaht, Jewish roots, etc. Like in family.

I wonder why he won't tell us who this mysterious "Szechter" is.

Another person invented, perhaps?

Maybe Bernardone's father?! Could be they're setting up a masonic lodge.

You've been mentioning him throughout this thread, so why not tell us who you are referring to?

Yes Polo, I'm sure that's what you mean.

Now, who is this "Szechter" you keep talking about? Might he be one of the people who refuses to employ American hacks who spent decades collaborating? Could he have been one of the people who was locked up for opposing the commie regime while other people didn't even have their work permit withdrawn?

Either you drank too much or your memory is short or you are too young to remember.

One musn't forget that the KOR-ites and Catho-lefitsts (Katolewica -- Mazowiecki, Wielowieyski, etc.) served the Solidarity movement only as advisers who helped draw up documents and things. After the 1989 election they tried to talke over. Luckily the Polish people swept the Unia Wolności (their stronghold) out of parliament. The bad news is that the post-commies came to power a second time.

Interesting that you're insulting Mazowiecki, a man who is widely considered to be one of the leading Catholic intellectuals in Europe alive today. Could it be because Mazowiecki was instrumental in removing the Communists from the Government?


If they were "only" advisers, why did Mazowiecki find himself interned?


Could you explain how Mazowiecki "attempted" to take over?


Odd. I could have sworn that the Unia Wolnosci played a prominent part of public life for quite a while after 1989.


You seem rather confused with your political ideology lately Polo. Then again, your hatred towards Mazowiecki is entirely understandable.

Read up on this leading Catholic intellectual who collabroated with pre-war Falangists-(extreme right wing)-turned-Stalinists.
hej-kto-polak.pl/wp/?p=15405

Mazowiecki and Wielowieyski were rerportedly sent by the regime to the Vatican to sntich on Cardinal Wyszyński -- a thorn in the side of Poland's Soviet-controlled puppets.

Reportedly, by who?

Who said such things? Or are you just making it up as per usual?