Which French candidate for president will be best for Poland?

Okay, the proposed improved translation isn't any better than the first, they both deny any primacy to the set of of traditional French norms, rule of law and secular institutions and french language are just some of the ingredients in a place on the map called, by pure historical chance, France.

What most people don't want to realize is that this is a way that elites wall themselves off from society and wash their hands of any traditional government obligations toward the citizenry...

This is Macron saying that governments exist to interact with other governments, not to serve the population.

Read/listen to Phillip Bobbit (not the most straigthforward guy out there but he lays it out pretty well) governments are backing away from the nation state model and going to leave citizens to educate and ajudicate differences to themselves

old order: the government justifies its power by improving the lives of citizens (nation state)

new order: the government justifies its existence by providing "opportunities" (market state) and if most of the population is in no position take advantage then it's not the government's fault or job to help them

it's a model that works well for the already well off and those who can think and network with lightning speed and who are not bothered with traditional bonds of loyalty, it totally sucks for everybody else

It's not a model that appeals to most Poles who have not had the chance to develop a strong nation state (War, communism...) but it's one that western Europe wants to impose on Poland so that the minority of Poles who can flourish in the market state can do so.

Once you know this, every disagreement between Poland and Hungary and western Europe makes perfect sense.

Why is it unusual that French Jews would vote against a party that includes fascists and holocaudt deniers ?

What's unusual is Jewish support for large scale immigration by rabid anti-semites

jpost.com/Opinion/Muslim-immigration-and-European-Jewry-419337

You are evidently wrong, Bieg. It is nearly 27 million who refused to recognize Macron as qualified to lead France.

Can you post a link to this?


I wonder what is the Czech stance in this matter?

This is as good an introduction as any:

youtube.com/watch?v=0eVN8gQKnwg&t=914s

Warning: He's very.... indirect and you sort of have to know what he's saying to get it. He gets to state evoltuion at around 14.30

Also, worth knowing: He claims that almost all of the 20th century was a single struggle (erupting in different places at different times) about economic systems - fascism - communism - capitalism (which capitalism finally, decisively, won). Changes of state models tend to be accompanied by large wars, a current strategy to try to avoid this (during the transition to the market state) is to keep a number of smaller conflicts going that never quite go away and never quite simmer over, sort of a collective safety valve. This is a strategy worked out in the US back in the 1990s and is still being followed.

You can disagree with him but he's the kind of thinker that has the ear of a lot of western leaders.


Very good question...

Where is your pal Harry when you need him? Why don't you step into his boots and talk some about 23% regime?

One that was founded by ex-nazis too.

Great fun to watch people who openly express right-wing opinions here seethe with impotent rage when things don't go their way.

Yes and all from the comfort of Chicago, Moscow and Belgrade.

I guess you're posting from the trenches. What a douche.


Hmm did they vote against that party or some prominent Jews said so. Seem to me that number of Jews emigrating from France either to Israel or other countries dramatically and significlaly increased since illegal Muslim and terror attacks are on the rise in France.

It's just prophesy being fulfilled Iron.
Jews from all over the world are emigrating back to Israel just like prophesy in the Bible predicted would happen in end times.
Who is paying attention to the Bible though, not many.
The Great Temple has to be built (which is under consideration as we speak) and the Jews have to go back home to Israel before the world can end according to scripture.

wnd.com/2017/04/push-to-rebuild-jerusalem-temple-has-earth-shaking-implications/#uEg2FpuJr3K87OF9.03

With what is going on with nuclear threats from N. Korea and Iran, which could spark a WW3 nuclear war, things are not looking real good for Mother earth right now.

The One World Order (Bilderberg's and Rothschild) has been talking of deleting billions of people because the earth can not sustain it's population.

Macron is a Bilderberg puppet which is just going to speed things up.
Now that world currency is going digital and under the skin micro chips (mark of the beast) are being welcomed by the millennial's as cool, one would have to be blind not to see that time is getting short.

It's just prophesy being fulfilled.

That is a particularly silly conspiracy theory.


Hard to know how anyone can be a 'puppet' of a respected informal talking shop.

.... by WHOOO???????

Whom, not who.

By anyone who isn't a conspiracy theorist.

Especially by participants in the annual conference (which is all it is) who are still working and value the opinions of those participants from different countries who have retired from their fields.

In GAE (General American English, at last my version thereof) whom only appears after prepositions in relative clauses

Those are the unelected technocrats of whom I was speaking earlier....

Simple prepositions take 'who'.

"By whom are those people respected" sounds very ę ą (not in a good way either, like using 'one' instead of I)

Not in English.


You'll find most of the occasional participants at the annual Bilderberg conference are a mix of elected politicians of all parties, retired politicians and people from the world's of science, the arts, philosophy and defence.

A positive thing, and certainly not an organisation of which Emmanuel Macron is a 'puppet'.

Great he's won, and great to see yet another nail in the whiffy coffin of nationalism.

Jon's right, Maf, sorry:-)

"Hunt continues for 'three terror suspects' after heavily armed cops failed to find them during lockdown of Gare Du Nord train station"

Do you think France will ever return to being a 1st World nation?

Terrorists are nothing but a nuisance at best. If they ever kill more peoole in a 1st world country than car accidents i will consider them dangerous. They have failed. There are real threats in the world and these islamolosers don't even rate a mention. Handy tool for brain washing the dumb though while moving real forces about.

Spot on. And one wonders which authoritarian regime is discreetly funding them in a failed attempt to sow discord.

Oh of course not......lol
Could you produce a credible source on just how much money the members of the Builderberg's Group donate to Macron's election and prior grooming before the election ?

Or is it being kept secret because of the enormous amount.

All the winner Emmanuel Macron's campaign funding is transparent (unlike the far-right loser Le Pen). Not one penny came from your "Builderberg's Group".

Le Pen however received money from Russia. This and other matters are in the hands of the French prosecutors.

So you are saying the Rothschild's (A Builderberg member) didn't groom $$$$ Macron years prior to the election ?
What are your sources ?

Perhaps you could post the list of Macron's top ten contributors for his campaign then jon.

On a scary side Hillary Clinton attempted to tie herself to French President elect Emmanuel Macron's runoff victory.
Clinton posted a tweet calling Macron's election a victory for "the world" and a "defeat" to the hackers who released Macron's emails to the public shortly before the election, but then turned the focus towards herself, claiming "the media says I can't talk about that."

No doubt Clinton will be running for the third time in 2020 unless she is in prison.

The crying and whining from the Russian-loving alt-right online is hilarious. They failed to get their way with Le Pen, and it's clear that Russian-backed politics are failing miserably in the key battlegrounds. Even in the UK, UKIP were annihilated at the local elections.

They loathe it, don't they. They're acting against Poland by supporting such creeps as Le Pen, and it didn't work. That the tide as turned riles them more. UKIP gone, Trump heading for jail, Kaczynski falling from power.

We have a lot to thank Emmanuel Macron for.


Check either a. his website, or b. any French newspaper.

Exactly. They've been trying to massively interfere in foreign elections, and now that it's failed repeatedly (and is failing in Poland), the bile and anger from them is reminding Europeans exactly why they're rejecting such candidates and parties.

As it stands, the alt-right is losing miserably this year. Even in the local Finnish elections recently, they dropped nearly 33% of their vote from the last election.

Liberal democracy an unholy alliance is about to end.


what now? Some commie BS name for normal people ?

Alt-Right is supposedly russian backed neo-nazis. If only they could tie the KKK into the equation

Sometimes. centrism is more needed, not to mention more comforting, than extreme left or right!