Frau Merkel today in Poland

What's interesting isn't the leaders (now or in the near future), but people speaking up against them.


That's a chance (though I think the danger is overblown, since those most pushing the idea are mostly wrong about everything else). The main thing is we have no way of preparing for a new reality, all we can do is try to be ready.

Maf, since when, pray, is humanism, what defines us all as human and not four-legged animals, outdated??? If that's your attitude, why bother electing any official, let's further descend into sandbox fighting like the children we (ONCE!!) were and barbarism a la Trump, or instead, advance into a more enlightened thinking!!

I suggest you and Johnny and a few others here seriously re-consider your point of view. You seem not to understand cause and effect.
In addition, if the Judeo-Christian ethic is finished, what's the point in even living?
:-)

Never. And it's a humanism (of a kind) that's in rebellion against technocracy that has lost any trait of humanity.


You do realize that he and I disagree on about 95% of all issues, don't you?


Whatever he's about, it's not barbarism. I suggest you re-examine your uncritical belief in what you've been told.


Actually that's part of what people are standing up for. Since when has Merkel shown any concern for the Judeo-Christian civilizational ethic?

You're like a Pole in 1989 worrying about all the instability that ditching communism will bring.

If any of you are Polish you should be proud of how the relationship with the Germans has gone for the last umpteen years. Best handling ever in history. Best trade ever. Best military cooperation . Best open borders, best co-operation ever. All unprecedented.

If you told someone in 1946 this would happen you would be labelled a crackpot. It's not perfect but it's best ever, very beneficial. So Merkel, whoever next, needs to be made feel at home like in a Polish way, like a real neighbour. German economy is great so is Polands growth. Screw critics, i say good work, keep it up and congrats to both countries for the last 20+ years of real progress.

You aren't Polish and you won't be telling us Poles what we should and shouldn't.

My reaction, Maf, was to your comments, not to you personally:-)

Merkel is clearly stretching tolerance to its very limits, and whilst I may disagree with her handling of the entire migrant affair, one certainly can't fault her for having her heart in the right place!

And that has exactly what to do with what Marsupial said? What's your idea of a new and modern Poland then? What kind of relationship between Poland and Germany do you and your ilk have in mind? A little war again? Stupid.

Too bad her heart wasn't in the right place for Greece... or for the German women and children sexually assaulted by migrants or the people killed in the Christmas market attack. Look at the blog german joys for some view of what her migrant policy

Her time is over. She needs to accept it and leave while she still has a little dignity (before she gets Thatchered). To maintain any credibility (and allies) in the EU Germany needs to remove her quickly.

@mafketis
And replace her with Herr Schultz??

Well it looks like that might be in the making. From what I've read the EU is in discussion about an Austrian suggestion to start up refugee camps in MENA, and close the door an asylum seeking within the EU (you wouldn't be able to seek asylum on place). So anyone landing on European shores would be sent back.

This would obviously be the first step in restoring order, second step would be repatriation on bigger scale.

Let's hope the EU will take the right decision, and that would in the same time restore a lot of trust and confidence from the people living within the EU. Free movement within the EU was just meant for that, within the EU. Not that the whole world would be able to come.

Out of the frying pan..... (wasn't he one of the ones trying to bully other countries into taking migrants that Merkel let in?)

If you're saying she's got to become more hands-on-practical about things, not merely academically pragmatic, I agree with you completely on that score!

Only don't let's write our post mortums to liberalism too soon. Merely thinking about the converse fills most thinking people of any political stripe with horror:-)

There was nothing remotely pragmatic about her migrant policy (which is continuing to spectacularly fail in just the way that I and many others predicted).

And no she does not need to become anything but "Ex".

Her day is over. She needs to make room for the sane.

You, of course, can I hope retrace the thinking of such seemingly over-the-top leftism as the direct result of Germany's recent past!!

Your own background is none of my beeswax, but I can't imagine any intelligent, educated, post-War gentile German reacting to the idea of "The boat is full up, mates!!" in the same way as an average, intelligent, educated post-War W.A.S.P. American, Maf, because Merkel, Schultz, the whole Cap Gang has had to reckon with the most distasteful notion ever since they were knee high to a grasshopper, that THEIR country nearly wiped out an entire group of people, let along millions of non-German Slavs, even Balts, together with gays, the terminally ill etc..

This has conditioned German thinking in large measure, certainly since the advent of the '60's, when the children of the perpetrators finally decided to hash stuff out with their folks about what REALLY went on in Germany from 1933-1945!!!

You might not like it, but that's the way it is, knee-jerk reactions notwithstanding:-)

Why do you think she openend the German borders in the first place? Greece was overrun by refugees/migrants and the country would've collapsed without Merkel's help. Open your eyes. The real culprit in this whole crisis is Turkey. They still can't be bothered to control their borders - unless you promise them billions of Euros and an accession to the union, that is.

She's still undecided about Turkey joining the EU, by the way:-) For me, the choice is clear; a vote FOR Turkey's entering is a vote AGAINST the future of the EU, period!!!

Merkel bought into the "birth rate" outcry. She wants to remain being viewed as an economic goddess and bringing in cheap labor will assure Germany's economic standing (at-least for the rest of her life time)

Turkey is Muslim. Who is naive enough not to see Turkey benefits from more Muslims in Europe.

Expecting ethnics to help you (Turkey this issue and Poland accepting US troops) will surely result in disappointment. People need to realize different cultures, different races, different goals and intentions.

I do agree with you about the regrettable outcome of multiculturalism as resulting in the import of cheap labor to Germany.
Look what damage it's already done to the US!!

Cheap is dear, always remember that:-)

That's a myth, nothanks. Traditional manufactoring jobs, that could be filled by uneducated workers, are quickly disappearing due to automation. What is needed are highly skilled immigrants, not goat herders from the Middle East and the African continent - to put it bluntly. Whether these educated immigrants are Christians, Muslims, Hindus or diciples of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster isn't really important as long as they accept (and adapt to) the local culture and the laws of the host nation. If they can't, they should be sent home or not be allowed to enter.


There's no way that Germany or France will let Turkey join. Merkel knows that.

@ the other...dont worry bout no to foreigners, just another backward microbe i see em when i visit. Its dummies like that that we have to leep out of power. He can carry my bags like a good little pessant next time. They are not Polish, just left over slime from poor parenting and schooling

TheOther, unfortunately, that "myth" is based to a large extent on fact! Here in the US, you won't find a White Anglo-Saxon Protestant male working in most labor-intensive or D.D.D. (Difficult, Dangerous, Dirty) jobs, save for in the mining industry of places in the South aka West Va.

:-)

I disagree. Western Europe is highly industrialized and most labor intensive industries of the past such as coal mining, steel production and the like have long been moved to second and third world countries which can provide these resources at a much cheaper rate. Most European manufacturing jobs are in the auto industry these days, I believe, but automation is quickly making blue collar workers without a higher education obsolete.

Look at the trend: fred.stlouisfed.org/series/DEUPEFANA

True. However, it's nonetheless a different story here in the US! While the average auto worker in Germany nowadays, even in the nearly defunct once thriving coal mining sector, the service sector in megalopolae such as Berlin, Frankfurt, Hamburg will be foreign born, said is NOT the case in areas of America, to repeat, such as local coal mining, cable repair etc. in rural areas of the country, where the workforce is nearly 100% white.

The big Northern and West Coast centers being the exception, not the rule:-)

Sorry, I misunderstood. I thought you were talking about Europe.

I don't think Merkel is even looking that far ahead. What this crisis has forced Germany to do is spend. For example if you went outside and smashed 10 car windows, those windows will need to be replaced and some attempt to package this increased economy. More people will need to be hired as translators for all these refugees etc.

They obviously ignore the brick wall in 20 or so years when glorified paper pushers is completely replaced.

Looking even farther in the near future. Eventually teachers will be replaced by robots. For example instead of 2 teachers in a low grade classroom it will only require 1. But if you look at the big picture of bottomless information being at our fingertips: all those liberal arts degrees will go the way of journalism. How will liberals react?

> Trump

This travel ban illustrates how badly the left has lost the plot. Trump wants to halt (not even ban) certain nations/people and he has to fight this out in court? What a backwards time to be alive. The left continues to illustrate that they don't put citizen/native as #1 priority. Eventually even those economically well off Westeners in Europe will be faced with the consequences of their voting. It's crazy how Trump has to answer and argue why putting Americans/America #1 is bad or even racist. LOL

I believe that Merkel had demographics in mind. She's old school like so many other conservative politicians across the globe; thinking that a large population automatically translates into more power. It doesn't dawn on them that overpopulation will ultimately be our downfall.


The problem is how the travel ban was implemented. They blocked legal residents (greencard holders) from returning home, while at the same time were trying to implement travel restrictions that are solely based on religion. That's unconstitutional, and that's the reason why it was rejected by the courts.

She's simply way too mired in political leftist chic for her own good, that's the bottom line here and folks are gettin' mighty tired!

If it were a religious ban then it would apply for any and every nation not just 7. The delivery was quick and somewhat sloppy. But ultimately if there were another 9/11 tomorrow - do you feel greencard holders (traveling from nation where flight originated for example) shouldn't be possibly scrutinized? Or are greencard holders forever exempt?

While demographics paint a dark future for the USA, Western Europe is not too far behind but IMO politically worse off. Americans while destined to be multicultural, at-least are not clouded with "North American Union" talk. An individual such as Trump surfaces, argues America/Americans First and yet he's elected. Then you look at Germany: (granted economy was used by Trump and wouldn't apply in Germany) both Chancellor nominees preach European-Union! Not Germany or German first. Leaders of individual European nations that do not indulge in EU propaganda are brushed aside as Nationalist. So the EU will always be used as a middle ground to encourage globalization

dw.com/en/europeans-oppressed-by-liberalism-welcome-to-seek-asylum-in-hungary/a-37506666

Long time ago, I said on this forum that Poland needs to be closer with Hungary and Serbia. If Poland was braver, we would have Intermarium today already. But no, politicians like Tusk must take money


Merkel is a w****. Restless witch


and so? what would that change? just one more who prayed between her legs