The first PiS led government in 2005 lasted just over 2 years in Poland.

Sure, there is no any indication or a reason to think otherwise.


They're traitors. As long as they behave like monkeys in a circus they should be paid a banana a day rather than taxpayers money.

And your defintion of the rule of law are the shenanigins in and around the Sejm accosting MPs and government officials, holding them hostage, blocking exits, shouting down and forcing MPsout of the assembly hall with those vicious rants and chants. They had no alternative but to transfer the sitting to another premise. All that is the rule of law as long as your side is doing it.

Two-faced Kopacz is an example of such hypocrisy. In 2014 she fumed: "The street is no place for politics, only the ballot box should decide!" Two years later she is calling for Poles to take to the streets, ignoring the nation's ballot-box verdict. I reckon it depends on who happens to be in power. No principles just pure hypocrisy.

The magic moment of the first star in the sky is approaching. Wigilia is no time for politics. It is a time for love, forgivenes, reconcilaiton, peace and goodwill to men. The government has extended their hand in dialogue and reconcilation. If the political scrooges occupying the Sejm choose to reject it, that only shows they regard Poland's age-old heritage as something alien, something they are not part of. But that's their problem. They have made their choice.

To PFers all: MIŁYCH, RADOSNYCH, BŁOGOSŁAWIONNCH ŚWIĄT! NIECHAJ NOWO NARODZONE BOŻE DZIECIĄTKO DARZY WAS OBLIFTOSCIĄ ŁASK TERAZ I PRZEZ CAŁY NOWY 2017 ROK!

The parliamentary Muppet Show is over and even the opposition privately albeit grudgingly concedes that the winner was Kaczyński. Yesty I watched one of the politicla taking-heads shows on TVN24. Unlike similar TVP shows allowing all sides to be presented, all the TVN24 participants were PiS-bashers siding with the oppositon. They reviled PiS and demonised Kaczyński accusing him of autoritarianism, bla-bla-bla, which is par for the course. The intersting thing was their conclusion: the opposition made countless tatcicał blunders, stumbled over their own feet and Kaczyński came out victorious. Petru and Kijowski were the biggest bunglers but Schetyna also tried a lame stunt to save face. He stated that the occupation of parliament had been called off because journalists were allowed back into the chamber. But that was already the case in December and observers immediately recognised that faux pas.

No-one believes the oppsition has set aside their bag of anarchic tricks and will spring them on th Polish nation when parlaiment re-convenes. But one thing is certain: the losers had never accepted the Octpbrert 2015 verdict of Polish voters and have not only opposed the winners but have tried and will continue to try to overthrow the present governmnet -- by hook or by crook. Since they are no match for Kaczyńskis, the good changes will most likely continue far off into the future.

Typical overblown hysterial hyperbole from someone who can't stand the idea that other people have different opinions.

The October 2015 decision of Polish voters was for a government led by Beata Szydło, not a Kaczyński led government that relegated Szydło to the status of mouthpiece for someone else's policy.

The October 2015 decision was absolutely not for the destruction of the rule of law so that it could be replaced by PRL style rule of party leader.

I don't think that the blockade of parliament was necessary after the first night and I think there's no question that the budget was not passed legally but then since when has PiS ever cared about the law?

Get your facts straight.

So, I am new to Polish political scene. And very much desire to gain an objective view of both sides. I look for a manifesto, a program of reforms, Oposition's proposed 5 year plan for infrastucture development etc. etc. to compare it with what PIS is doing.... where are such things to be found? And why are they not presented and brought under discussion?! If indeed the plan consists only of "bag of anarchic tricks and will spring them on th Polish nation when parlaiment re-convenes" then there is NO opposition. Not in the parlamentary sense, at least. Am I missing something?

The bottom line is PIS policies appealed to most voters, that combined with the previous government shooting themselves in the foot and covering themselves in scandal. Even now the fractured opposition cant seem to stay away from controversy (Kijowski invoices).

The opposition is going to have to come up with policies that appeal to the majority of the country (low income, religious), but it will also require some mistakes on the side of PIS. Scandals are always difficult to rule out, but it seems Kaczynski is keeping them in check here. Secondly, nationalism has helped them, but there is a fine line. If they go overboard and people begin to associate them with the old communist regime, people will switch. Thats the biggest risk for them I feel.

I hope the PiS government does get to rule for the minimum time a party ought to rule after being selected. I find it quite shocking at how childish the opposition are, like a baby throwing their toys out of the pram and angry because it can't get its way.

PO had 8 years of rule and practically did what they wanted - now they have been out of power for one year and can't accept it.

Funny the reaction of the opposition in Poland is similar to that of 'anti Trumpers' and 'Remainers.' In theory they promote freedom and free speech, yet in reality, when they don't get their own way, they do everything they can to prevent democracy from running smoothly. People chose PiS so get over it and let them rule for now - then judge them later when they have had a bit of time.

A lot of young people in the western part of Poland are thinking them as PRL bis....

One wonders whether the loud-mouth opposition ranters will stoop so low as to accept illegal MP salaries from an illegal budget or will they honourbaly turn them down and continue working for free for the greater good of Poland?

And what to said young people think of Kijowski, Petru and scamster perty leader Grzegorz Schetyna?
It now turns out that another darling of the liberal left, Jerzy Owsiak, whose rabidly anti-clerical father was a communist police official (department head), has also been engaging in dodgy finances.

They're probably not happy with them now either Polish politics tend to alienate young smarter people which is unfortunate as it gives the scamsters and mentally ill free reign....


Who's done a lot more for sick children than you ever have (or the assembled memembers of Pis have for that matter).

Sounds like one of Hairy's lines.... Oh yes, he's been booted out, so I reckon someone has to fill his slot.
No-one is questioning the lives saved by the Owsiak cmapaign, but does that give him the right to dip into the till, ignore court rulings and order his thugs to eject from a press conference a journalist who dared ask about the dodgy finances of one of his non-transparent pseudo-organisations?

sources?

Here is one: m.niezalezna.pl/50517-pytania-o-faktury-denerwuja-owsiaka-o-finansach-jego-firmy-spolki-zony-i-wosp-zobacz-film
But you won't find a word of it in the Kosher Courier.
BTW be sure to watch "Pucz" today (Sunday, 15th Jan) at 20.20 on TVP1 for an inside view of hte opposition's latest Muppet Show Cabaret.

Unlike you, I'm not nostalgic for PRL style media. Pass.

The niezalezna link is pretty unimpressive too.

Too bad, becuase you'd have seen first hand what uttere fools the opposition made of themselves, what anaechy and mayhem they tried to foment, storming the Sejm rostrum and marshal's desk, occupying the chamber, ransacking the papers and property of PiS MPs, trying to hold government officials and majority MPs hostage in the building and then blocking the cars they were going home in at 3AM. Also orchestrating a casualty so world-wide media could front-page alleged "fascist" governmnet violence, except that the victim had lain down in the road and a bit later got up and walked away. And the hateful, ranting, chanting and cursing... And such sterling "patriots" as Kijowski, Schetyna and Petru at the forefront of the provocation. Apparently that is the Courier's vision of freedom and democracy. Is it also yours?

Codswallop! They work as a team, everyone doing what they're best at. Kaczyński is htre master strategist, Szydło the administrator, Morawiecki the economic innovator, Ziobro and Błaszczak -- the enforcers. That's why they're so successful. In the PO there was always a current of Tusk-Schetyna rivalry, later Schetyna-Kopacz friction. The present opposition is a tug-o-war between Schetyna and Petru, previously also Kijowski who has since disgraced and eliminated himself as the wannabe head of the opposition. Ever wodner why the oppositon has repeatedly called for K to be PM? So that Poland could be governed better? Hell no! He didn't cut the mustard in that post the last time round and they want to get back on the gravy train!

Surely you know that sources are no longer required in the PRL-bis. If the Dear Leader Chairman Kaczynski says that something happened, that means it happened, just as in the good old days of the PRL when if a commie bigwig said something happened, all of the loyal collaborators in the approved 'media' promptly reported it as fact.

of platforma time

I'll just wait till they show it in the re-education camps.

Although they'd clearly like to have those, the 18% regime isn't going to last long enough to have any. But I do get the feeling that the program you refer to will be shown in universities in the future, as an all-time example of how not to pretend to be a journalist, along with a few texts about things that never existed (I'm sure you can think of some examples).

And if the Three Stooges Kijowski, Petru or Schetyna say something happened, that means it's a lie and never did.

Morawiecki is indeed an innovator - current inventions in 15 months the worst performing currency in Europe, the second worst performing stock market in Europe, a massive fall in investment, slowing GDP growth, rising government deficit and falling ratings. As Wielki Polak says - why not wait and see how they perform ? Voters probably have to - investors however still have the luxury of walking away and voting with their wallets

It's what PiS wants - to get corrupt foreign money out of Poland - and lead an impoverished and pious nation.


Just what PiS wants. JK surely would rather have more power in a poor country than less power in a rich one....

One has to wonder if Poland can actually afford to have five years of mis-rule by PIS. How long after the inevitable fall of the 18% regime will it take for the nation to recover?


That's an excellent way of describing the PiSlamic State. Although a full description would also include some words about vengeance for all past actions, and an honest description would also include a good number of words about wedging the snouts of the faithful firmly into the trough.


Look at the way the Dear Leader Chairman Kaczynski puts himself ahead of the nation. For example, there's that villa in a leafy suburb which the commies for some reason decided to give to his father: that place could house six families but instead Chairman Kaczynski lives there alone and summons the 'President' to visit him when he needs some documents signed in the middle of the night.

Talking of wedging their snouts into the trough, here's a sickening breakdown of the way that members of the PiSlamic State have been appointed to posts they aren't qualified for on the basis of anything other than unquestioning loyalty to The Dear Leader Chairman Kaczynski. In a single year 1,000 of PIS' friends, family and other close associates have been appointed to positions at state companies and institutions.

money.pl/gospodarka/wiadomosci/artykul/dobra-zmiana-misiewicze-prawo-i,97,0,2236001.html

Long enough for someone to get the heart attack.

That's a perfect description of the Schetnyas, Kijowskis, Petrus and Michniks of this world. They can't stand the idea that people have finally seen through their eight-year misrule, and more precisely, 25 years of dominance by the KOR-SB Magdalenka clique who naively thought they would rule forever.

Gradually a truer pictrue of Polish events is seeping through to the allegeldy "fair and balanced" Western media. Germany's influential daily "Die Welt", once a severe critic of the PiS government, recently ran an essay by its Warsaw correspondent Gerhard Gnauck suggesting that Kaczyński may be right about different things. He cited a people-friendly social policy, the buy-back of formerly Polish banks, preventing foreign captial from drianing the Polish economy and a restrictive refugee policy which is now gaining increasing acceptance also in Germany.

Given the clear links between collaborating with the commies and the real actual leader of Poland (i.e. his father's work put him where he is today, literally and metaphorically, and he confirmed his own loyalty by volunteering to prosecute the political opponents of the commie regime), if such a clique had ever existed and had ever ruled, they'd be pretty happy with having one of their own leading the country.


You mean the media which don't airbrush out the parts of the world which the Dear Leader Chairman Kaczynski doesn't want to exist? Such a pity for you that they don't follow the example of TVP and just remove the requirement to report just the facts.