Who is responsible ? Government !Their management or lack of such is a main reason Polish Railways decline !
About fifty injured after two trains collide in Poland
You lot just don't get it do you? Needless deaths. People are dead and the most probable cause is human error, yet all ye wanna do is play down the numbers. Even if it was only one person it's too many. The attitude to life here is very very different. If it doesn't affect you, then you do not care. Makes me sick.
Don't be ridiculous. Saving lives costs money, you can spend a infinite amount and make travel so expensive that nobody travels and you have 100% safety.
30 lives in six months is nothing, how do you define needless deaths? how much would it cost to save them and where will the money come from? Surely it better to spend money improving road quality, after all 30 dead is a normal three days road death toll or a bad Saturday in Poland.
As for the accident, I'm surprised that there is still a direct train from Warsaw to Przemysl. I'll have to investigate that one (Przemysl is a cracking little city, the only downside is the lack of decent accommodation).
That's because this route(Przemyśl, Rzeszów, Kraków) is the main route from and to Ukraine(Lviv, Kiev).
Harry
5 Mar 2012 / #64
this route(Przemyśl, Rzeszów, Kraków) is the main route from and to Ukraine(Lviv, Kiev).
That much I knew. But for some reason I thought that all the trains from Warsaw were now 'change at Krakow for Przemysl'.
30 lives in six months is nothing
you wouldn't be saying that if your mother/father/brother/sister had been travelling on the train.
Surely it better to spend money improving road quality, after all 30 dead is a normal three days road death toll or a bad Saturday in Poland.
Both need to be done.
delphiandomine 86 | 17823
5 Mar 2012 / #66
That much I knew. But for some reason I thought that all the trains from Warsaw were now 'change at Krakow for Przemysl'.
I'm still mystified why EIC trains run through to there - I can only assume that there's some sort of political signifiance behind that one.
Who is responsible ? Government !Their management or lack of such is a main reason Polish Railways decline !
A fair assessment. SLD, AWS, PO, PiS, all of them have failed to deal with the monster that is the railways here.
In fact, funnily enough, the PZPR probably did the most for railways in Poland. It was the post-communist governments that devastated PKP.
you wouldn't be saying that if your mother/father/brother/sister had been travelling on the train.
We I can almost definitely say that it wouldn't have been. In fact i doubt anyone on this forum knows anyone who have died on the railway, you are more likely to win the lottery.
In contrast I know a handful of people who have died on the roads and even know someone who died hang gliding and someone who died drowning in her bathwater.
I suspect that most, if not all of those who died on polish railways last year a) committed suicide b) trespassed on purpose or c) was driving a vehicle when they were hit by a train. Barely possible to prevent that sort of thing.
RevokeNice 15 | 1854
8 Mar 2012 / #68
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Wroclaw Boy
8 Mar 2012 / #69
In contrast I know a handful of people who have died on the roads and even know someone who died hang gliding and someone who died drowning in her bathwater.
Yep, i know a few that have died and plenty that had life changing accidents - all road associated.
RevokeNice 15 | 1854
8 Mar 2012 / #70
who died drowning in her bathwater.
I always thought that was an urban myth.
"It takes just six inches of water to drown".
I always thought that was an urban myth.
Ask Whitney Houston.
My friend had an epileptic fit in the bath.
You need to remember that the vast majority of the deaths on Polish roads (4,572 dead in 2009) are caused by human error and that relatively few people here get hugely upset about that.
There does seem to be a blatant disregard for human life in Poland from what I have seen. I think it's the A1 they are building over from Germany to connect up with the section to Poznan. Where they were building the bridges cones funneled the traffic and narrowed off the road directly under the new bridge. Not in a smooth fashion over a distance but abrupltly over 50m approx with nothing seperating the traffic from both directions other than luck. We drove this route several times and each time I had the urge to spell out my utter disbelief at what I was seeing to my Polish partner who was a non driver so was oblivious to the danger. Low and behold on our last drive down this route we have a head on collision between two trucks.
This WAS going to happen. It was OBVIOUS it was going to happen so the attitude must of been SO WHAT!
I suspect that most, if not all of those who died on polish railways last year a) committed suicide b) trespassed on purpose or c) was driving a vehicle when they were hit by a train. Barely possible to prevent that sort of thing.
One of my friend's music students was pushed off a train on the way back from a lesson. An evening one to Otwock. The people robbing him just opened the door and pushed.
Since then there are security guards on the Warsaw commuter routes, but usually they just sit in the front carriage and do nothing.