Failures of Poland and Tusk`s government

well, when you ask. One of his greatest foreign-political failures and failures in general was recognition of Kosovo when that southern Serbian province separated from Serbia

i heard, many people in Serbia heard that most of Poles opposed to it but still, Tusk insisted

Almost all of the Polish people I know were very much supporting the side which didn't feature genocidal scum. Not that that's such a surprise, the experience of Poles liberating their country from foreign occupiers who oppressed and murdered their people has meant that they naturally support the people of the independent state of Kosovo in their struggle with the foreign occupiers of their small nation.

thanks for clarification.

just, be advised that your sources of information (media houses of EU leading powers, USA, NATO) about events in former Yugoslavia took part in destruction of Yugoslavia and attack on Serbia in 1999. It makes them involved in conflict and that way invalid source of informations. That way their comments about Serbs are no more then war propaganda directed against their enemy. But, how they decided to choose Serbs for the enemy and to ally themselves with Islamic mujahids is absolutely mind-blowing to me (can you imagine- USA and British soldiers in combat side by side with mujahids against Slaveno-Christian Serbs). It must be that islamic and EU factors acted united in order to weaken only strong Slavic factor in the region- Serbians.

Most Poles couldn't care less.


Erm...Crow, you do realise that Croatia is a strong Slavic factor too?

Those are not my sources of information, I know more than enough people who were actually out there during that time.


I know several Americans who were out there and several Brits: none of them fought alongside 'mujahids' and all of them were universal in their assessment of Serbs as genocidal scum.


You seem to forget that before Poland was in the EU, during the war in Croatia Poles volunteered to fight alongside their Croat brothers against the Serbian oppressors.

i believe that. We all have enough of our own troubles


What `Erm...` ? That was my quotation above- ``it must be that islamic and EU factors acted united in order to weaken only strong Slavic factor in the region- Serbians.``


i personally never heard of Poles who volunteered against Serbs. But even if some volunteered, i wouldn`t be surprised. Aren`t we all under EU/NATO occupation and aren`t we all fed with their nonsensical propaganda? If Croatia represent pro-German factor in the region why in our time some Poles wouldn`t act on the behalf of that Croatia? Really, why?


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i know that several Americans and several Brits who fought side by side with islamic mujahids was captured by local Bosnian Serbs under general Ratko Mladic. I won`t go in details to describe you what happened to them... but, i contemplate sometimes... did thay prayed to Allah or to Christ in their last moments of agony... i mean those Americans and Brits

Let me guess: they were raped and murdered. Not hard to work out, given that those are the two main hobbies of Serbs. Such a pity for your brave warriors that there were no women or children in the area and so they had to make do with men (as we all know Serbs generally prefer to be the one on the receiving end when it comes to man love).

Hi Crow.

Now shall I ask isthatu2 to tell you what we think of Serbs, or shall I provide you with the polite version.

let`s not repeat this. EU leading powers, USA, NATO... were side in conflict and having that in mind their news about Serbians were false.

But, its not the problem that you believe in those lies about Serbs. Problem is that Polish Tusk, even aware of those lies, acted against Serbs and failed. He admitted that he needed to follow dictate by the EU/NATO/USA. He mistaken but at least he was honest to admit his weakness

Anyway, back to the successes of the present government - Poland is still doing quite well economically. There do need to be more privatisation a though and it's a shame that they are opposed by the whining opposition.

Well, there is no poll but I would say that many were opposed to all that nonsense, mark me nobody heed what people are thinking.

as betrayed Serbians, Tusk betrayed Poles. He took the money and survived that plane crash when rest of the Polish leadership died. We can`t be sure is it connected but some things in it are interesting

Many?

Hardly. The only ones opposed were a few football hooligans.

my brother have few Polish friends and all of them said- MANY. i took it as news from the first hand considering that most of them have cousins in Poland


yes, Polish football hooligans, too. But, listen this... only Orthodox people in the world that could get (and getting) support by Polish football hooligans and fans are Orthodox Serbs. Exactly that`s the reason why west of Europe hate Serbs so passionately. Serbs awakening Slavic solidarity among all Slavs and so among Poles, too. Same goes for Ukrainian football hooligans (no matter Catholic or Orthodox). Only, i mean only thing that can gather together Polish, Ukrainian and/or Russian football hooligans around same idea are Serbians. Its like that Slavs by instinct feel that Serbians represent last line of defense for the ideas that are heavily attacked for the centuries. Ideas of free Slavic civilization in all its diversity

Let me just mention how great support Serbians got in Prague in Czeska. It was awesome. Primordial. Slavia refusing to die. Stubborn Serbians reminds of this

Yes many, but few demonstrated.

The advanced medical services have again become inefficient and scanty at the end of year. I heard about people diagnosed with cancer and sent home without treatment because traditionally state hospitals and clinics run out of money from the state National Health Fund contracts in November/ December due to the poor financing system. What a shame.

Fortunately, I have still been able to keep up good health. How long?

pawian - it's true.

In any country with a functioning, independent media the govt would fall.

Not so fast. It is easy to topple a government but what next? You surely know there is no alternative to PO government right now.

And if you want to imply that PiS government would do much better, forget it.

You think so?:p

Think so about relaxed or predicaments?

wpolityce.pl/depesze/43040-grecja-nie-ustaje-w-strajkach-przeciw-cieciom-budzetowym

this is how relaxed the Greeks are

Of course. They are still relaxed enough. They are only a bit annoyed - they realised that they would have to pay taxes for their swimming pools which so far they had managed to hide from the tax office.

Wouldn`t you be annoyed???

youtube.com/watch?v=wELSaDxkSY0

zerohedge.com/article/greek-tax-avoidance-101-cover-your-swimming-pool-tarp-fool-satellite

Tusk government's new success - GMO crops in Poland


gmo.net.pl/2012/11/stanowisko-icppc-nowa-ustawa-o-nasiennictwie-to-kon-trojanski-dla-polski

The President has just signed it.

I don`t care. I am not afraid of GMO food. Should I ?

Failures of the Tusk government?

What about "3 x 15%"? They pledged to lower VAT, income tax and corporation tax to 15% a long time ago.

So when the f*ck are they going to start lowering taxes instead of raising them to pay for their ever-growing inbred bureaucracy?

I've got to hand it to them, though - I don't think the world has yet seen a country that can raise taxes, rack up debt like there's no tomorrow and do it when the economy is GROWING. And maintain popularity among the electorate! Insanity!

Insanity indeed, and the specter of Greece is looming over Poland - the difference is noone will come to help us with wads of euro as we are not in eurozone

What else one can expect when all the mainstream media, celebrities, "intelectualists" and all this mess do nothing else than attack the main opposition party :))) That's Polish "democracy" :)) Recently I heard some elderly guy saying that Tusk within a few years managed to brainwash Poles more than communists over the decades, unfortunately he's probably right. Welcome to lemings' Poland :))

The funniest thing is Tusk starting to bring up "let's join Euro zone soon" issue again, If he again manage to brainwash all this plebs, I will give up my citizneship and become a stateless person.

Guys, be reasonable. Poland will never reach Greek levels of debt.


It is not insanity, but wisdom. What opposition parties propose to do with Polish economy after winning elections would be much worse than current government.


If you consider it Tusk`s success, you should write it in another thread, then. :):):):)

I agree to an extent. And even if it does, as long as it stays out of the Euro, it will be able to print money to inflate the debt away. Heavy overreliance on debt, even if it can be printed away, is not good fiscal policy, though.


What evidence is there for that? And don't you see, even if the other parties were worse, the ruling party have always been parading themselves as economic liberals, and yet what we've seen from them is increasing taxes from an already high level and increasing spending even faster and running up debt, so that future tax rises are inevitable. Tax and spend is not liberal policy and runs the risk of choking the economy in the future. And it's a complete failure and utter hypocrisy of the Tusk government to fail to live up to its purported values and, in fact, to do the very opposite, regardless of whether the other parties are better or worse.

I myself am not an economic liberal and tend to lean towards more of a middle ground, recognising that state involvement in the economy is sometimes beneficial, but whatever hopes I had for Tusk's party reducing Poland's tax burden were completely dashed.


I can't imagine a worse thing for Poland to do. To run up debt in inflatable złoty and then convert it into a hard currency the NBP has no control over and be at the mercy of the German-controlled ECB is complete and utter madness.

If you're running up debt, at least run it up in your own currency so that, if the sh*t hits the fan, you can inflate it away and stop the Mario Montis and Angela Merkels blackmailing you into wrecking your economy.

It is mindboggling that the prime minister of a country can act in a manner so contrary to its national interests. But Poland is not alone in this. Greece and many other EU states have been doing the same all along, with the Germans most certainly enjoying a bit of schadenfreude and benefiting as a result.

Plenty, it is enough to follow Polish politics regularly.