What will drive Poland after 2020 - when Eu funding dries up?

No amount of money can compensate for the terrorism,rape, murder, racial and religious intollerance and segragation that the open door policy of herr Merkel has created by allowing uncontrolled migration.

Except for The Marshall Plan of course

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Plan

Always amusing to see somebody who rarely misses a chance to tell us how racially discriminated he was when he was viewed as a refugee making racist statements about other refugees.


Yes, that's probably quite close to the amount Poland will be getting after 2020 from the EU. I'm starting to suspect that this is in fact a political strategy of the PiSlamic State. They've clearly realised that they have no chance of forming a government after the next election as they won't get enough votes and nobody will form a coalition with them, so they're actually trying to get EU funding cut to zero from 2020 so the government that replaces them will have far far less to spend and thus will be unpopular and have no chance at the 2024 elections (and not enough time to replace all of the PiSlamic State loyalists currently wedging their snouts firmly into the trough), meaning a return to power for the PiSlamic State, possibly even with a majority that allows them to change the constitution. From the point of view of what's best for Poland, it's terrible; but from the point of view of what's best for the PiSlamic State, it's evil genius.

Yes that helped Germany become the European powerhouse and european dictator that it is today, sadly the eastern block including Poland were denied this help by comrade Stalin.

Just as now The Dear Leader Chairman Kaczynski is doing his best to ensure that Poland will be denied help from the EU, especially after the fall of the PiSlamic State in 2020.

I was talking about migrants , there is a difference.

Thousands of genuine refugees are languishing in camps with no one to help while hordes of migrants, criminals and terrorists are burning their doucuments, paying thousands to smuglers to put them on boats to Europe

The 600.000 refugees is just one piece of divisive nonsense from the OPs big book of statistics. It goes with his ridiculous statement that small town Poles have never had it so bad. In fact the precise opposite is true (and I spend a lot of time in the Polish countryside so can see with my own eyes the vehicles in the church car park getting better every year).

You can choose any gmina in Poland and you will see increased income (double since 2004), increased purchasing power, lower unemployment (there are plenty of jobs in Poland and nobody needs to go abroad, those who WANT to now have the chance), better infrastructure and better life expectancy. That is not all the EUs doing but absolutely EU membership has been the strongest factor - confirmed by the fortunes of the basket case countries who are outside - Serbia, Moldova etc.

Nobody here really disagrees with the result of Brexit vote - we just think it was ill informed and harmful. but the best thing now is for It to be executed quickly and decisively and leave the other 27 countries to work out how they might possibly manage without Britain. So what is the UK govt waiting for ? Do they realise it might not be the great idea it seemed in June ?

thinking Brexit is stupid does not make you a socialist - I am far from that.

And what is so wrong with a Pole being in a senior EU role ? Wouldnt being a pragmatic centrist with a lot of experience managing a large economy be a good qualification ? Or do you rather think that Poles can neve qualify for that role ?

Yes, that's what those who benefited from the Polish Resettlement Act of 1947 were; actually they were immigrants, but then so are the people you are labeling as terrorist,rapist, murderer and bigots on the basis of nothing more than your perception of their race. I fear that ignorance such as that which you display will be played upon to stoke up bigotry that will support the refusal of the PiSlamic State to accept Poland's responsibilities as a member of the EU and thus minimise the amount of funding Poland gets from the EU and thus cause the government that replaces the 18% regime to lose the 2024 election.

There are many migrant races jumping out of boats onto the shores of Europe, there are also plenty of European migrants moving by legitimate means, therefore very hard to discriminate by race or colour.

The problems arrise from undocumented and unvetted migrants, and the risks that are created by having such a "all welcome open door policy"

You might as well argue that no one needs a passport or documentation to travel and live anywhere in the world.

Cool, I'd rather have Merkel than Kuntchinsky or however you spell his name, rahter have her than May or Cameron or whoever the loser running France is.


Jaroslow, Orban and that dingbat in that craphole Belarus are Europe's dictators.


Yep, russia f!cked over Poland, as did the brits for selling out their excuse for going to war in the first place...........

This is a quote from Winston Churchill.....



Hopefully that day will come



Why can't we just all get along y'know? We're all the one race; humans
Except for Polly, he's a douchebag

Great idea Smurf.


But I wouldnt want to get on a flight where no one was documented or vetted.

You mean like the hundred thousand plus people in 1945 who claimed to be veterans of the western command Polish forces but later turned out to have been members of the Axis armed forces? Britain didn't use those men as an excuse to reject hundreds of thousands of Poles who decided in the second half of the 1940s that Britain offered them better opportunities than their own country, so why should Poland be able to use a far far smaller number of ISIS people?

Let me help you answer that: Poland shouldn't be able to, and part of the price Poland will pay for its disgraceful actions regarding this will be far less EU funding after 2020 (and quite possibly before).

Hmm can you point to one who ever commited a terrorist act, your analogy with 1945 refugees does not hold water.

The reality is far worse: the Poles Britain let in in the late 1940s included Poles who had taken an active part in the Holocaust by murdering Jews, which is an act far worse than terrorism. But Britain didn't use those Poles participating in the Holocaust as an excuse for refusing to admit Poles who thought their lives would be better in Britain, so why should Poland be able to use the excuse of some refugees committing terrorist acts as an excuse to refuse to admit any refugees?

Refugees should be cared for, illegal migrants should be deported.

It very much appears that the PiSlamic State think otherwise, one hopes that their refusal to help those needing help will not cost Poland too much.

So are you saying that now Poland is not ruled by a foreign power at the end of a gun , we now have a new master that rules us with money?.

Do you not support the democratic vote that Polish people make when they chose a government?

Do you think that Europe or Germany should run Poland?

I mean that Poland will to a certain extent be done by as she did. If Poland refuses to offer help it can provide to people who badly need help, why should Poland expect other countries to help it by giving it money in the next EU budget?


There are 38,584,782 people in Poland. 5,711,687 voters voted for PIS. So not even 15% of Poles voted for PIS.


The people of Poland should run Poland and should do so according to Polish law. Sadly that is not happening at the moment.

So in 2019 will the PO party have an open door migration policy as part of their manifesto? what is their current policy on unchecked migration.

No dreamy jonny :-) we will leave no matter how much you hate it. Or you want to have a bet on that one?

On the plus side Poland will not have to suffer anymore libtard economic migrants from Britain

No. Poland has a choice: Poland can help other EU member stateswith their problems and in exchange get help from other EU countries with Poland's problems (for example financial help for investments in Poland by way of, for example, co-financed infrastructure projects) or Poland can refuse to help EU member states which are having problems with the numbers of migrants arriving on their shores and then Poland cannot expect help from other EU member states with Poland's problems.

Personally I'd say that it is well worth Poland agreeing to help EU member states which are having problems with the numbers of migrants arriving on their shores by taking a reasonable percentage thereof. Even if one ignores the moral requirement to act, financially it makes excellent sense, especially given that a sizable number of those people would prefer to be elsewhere in the EU and will therefore leave Poland. But clearly the PiSlamic State disagree, although we already knew that from the fact that Poland isn't spending all the EU funds it can spend because it can't stump up its contribution to the co-funding because the government no longer has the cash as it has all been given out as 500zl monthly electoral bribes.


Nice to see you finally slipping into pure personal abuse, it's always good to get such clear signs that you know your arse has been handed to you in debating terms.

So you are saying that the oposition party has no plans to allow unchecked migratiom.


My comment was a general one, and not strictly directed at you , but does that mean that you identify as a libtard economic migrant.

Do feel free to read my post. I'm saying that Poland has a choice: Poland can help other EU member stateswith their problems and in exchange get help from other EU countries with Poland's problems (for example financial help for investments in Poland by way of, for example, co-financed infrastructure projects) or Poland can refuse to help EU member states which are having problems with the numbers of migrants arriving on their shores and then Poland cannot expect help from other EU member states with Poland's problems. Poland has that choice regardless of the plans of any Polish political party.

I'd be very surprised if any Polish political party has any plans to allow unchecked migration, although it seems that all of them favour Poles being allowed to have the right to unchecked migration.


Your comment was very clearly what it was and made for the reason it was made.

This is a money making racket at the cost of the European taxpayer! Why are you in favor of human trafficking?

zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-04/something-strange-taking-place-mediterranean

All down to Angela Merkel, she made a poor choice in life when she alone gave the invitation, not voted for in the european parliment.

If the cap fits she should wear it and sort it


Poles migrating within europe are conforming to european law, there is no need for you to vilify them because they do not want illegal immigrants imposed upon them.

The article says:



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That has crossed my mind, too.

I do want that :)

Fair enough Smurf, I think we would all like to see the day when there are no more random lunatics trying to blow us up.

Please do try not to talk complete and utter bollocks. Firstly, hundreds of thousands of migrants arrived at the EU's borders in the first 8 months of 2015 alone (i.e. before Merkel's 'invitation'). There were 350,000 detections the January-September period on the Greek islands. Secondly, Merkel never extended an invitation to everybody to come to Europe. Her actual words included the statement "We have to make decisions quickly so that we can deport those who have been rejected quickly."


The cap you refer to doesn't even exist. If you'd like to quote her inviting everybody to the EU, go ahead and quote her.


A person claiming asylum cannot be an illegal immigrant until his/her claim has been properly assessed and rejected. You clearly need to read the basics of law applying to these matters.

Amusing how you forget about the countless tens of thousands of Poles illegally working in the UK before Poland joined the EU and hundred thousand plus working illegally in the USA.