Why is Poland developing so slowly or in the wrong direction? Who is responsible ?

Oh yes. There's a huge problem with this in Poland - driving is probably the best example.

You can see it with anything that's "public" - if it's for the public, it can be destroyed. There was a huge fuss not so long ago in some osiedle where the administration had banned outside visitors to the playground - because the outsiders were destroying the playground.

Maybe, its a mix between the quality of life during communism(which helps them sustain and accept their continued grey existence) and the present backlash, that anything associated with the state/community is bad. Driving in Poland is a good metaphor for the general prevailing sense of "if you cant beat them join them mentality".

Well, yes nobody give a shite ! What is a reason for it ?

Because many Poles have left Poland in search of a "better life" abroad instead of bettering their own life in Poland.

I think that it was other way around, many Poles have left Poland because there were no perspective to bettering their life in Poland.
I'm asking about the cause not the result !

The cause was opening up borders for Poles for free travel, their mentality that the grass is greener on the other side, their character, always complaining about everything, their negative attitute towards people of other nations. Poles think they are the best and cannot take a comment and get upset when someone views their opinions.

You know nothing about Poland mister R!And little about Poles!

People who really try usually die in car accident.

1.I think that Poland looked better before II World War same way Turkey looks good now, if looked at from certain perspective: One of largest armies in the world, relatively strong alliances, good outlooks for the economy.But the society was in some ways almost feudal, junta was in charge of the government with democracy looking like only slightely better option (strong conflicts between nobles/land owners and peasants; polish majority and minorities; democracy as idea and practice less known,tested and popular ),humanitarian rights were a shambles.

2.Just one thought about todays Poland development :Area in which Poland (and other East European countries) is lagging the most is product branding.What I mean is that EVERY West E. country has many globally known brands like Nokia,Philips,BMW,Ikea and industries which gained advantageous position 20,40,60 years ago (Italian ceramic tiles,German cars,French wines,Swiss banks and so on and on).East Europe 20 years ago had to join the race with nothing, we didn't even have capitalists (as in people who had capital).Because of that today even if we make premium product we can't charge premium price; basically we are tiny China with more freedom.

Poland is artificially cut short to evolve...not be some kind of threat for the 'big 3'(France, UK and Germany).

Development 'yes', but how we tell you and regulate it.

Poland is the biggest net beneficiary of EU funds...not enough???

Where would Poland be without it? Evolving any better??? And where to?

Artificially cut short to evolve could mean it wasn't allowed to continue evolving once it started. Not necessarily because of EU funding...

It means nothing...just a catch phrase by idiots!

Nothing special. Just part of the deal within the EU when you have a new guest or you call them now 'member'.

It's something to consider and think about...

Yeah...just think about the alternatives and tell me if Poland would be any better of and what would that mean for their "evolving".

Thanks to the ChicagoBoys who diplomatically robbed the family silver.

My belief is they should have been left to evolve and fulfill their destiny...

As USians you should know what a poor desperate country with a lagging economy and a corrupt infrastructure means for the richer neighbour....

Poland's main export would had been their cheep, illegal labor without any hope to get better.

Nice evolving! What destiny???

I think that word you are looking for instead of evolved is colonized.
Some of Poles here also notice that subtle difference.
They don't like it. ;)

Well...colonizing is an agressive act...
Poland and your Serbia is queuing up begging to become members...to get to the EU funds.
Interesting form of colonization where the subjects say "THANK YOU for taking me in and helping me"!

Could be worse...

You know that alot of your people are swarming the EU countries (especially Germany) don't you?
Your mouth says one thing (anti-Eu, anti-Germany), your peoples feet tell another story!


Still..there alternatives don't seem to have much support with their peoples.
What are their alternatives actually?

Don't you know? The destiny of being an eternal heritage park, a museum to which
"rich" American Poles could come, flash some dollars, and enjoy the good old Poland
for 2 weeks or so, on their holiday.

That's what all Plastics would like Poland to be - a nice, backwards heritage park for
them to visit every now and again.

Luckily for Poland, they don't have the decisive say, and the majority of Poles have chosen
to join the European family of modern nations. Sure, it's not a perfect family, but it's not
a dysfunctional one either :)

Yeah...till they can come up with a better plan we will take the EU with warts and flaws anytime, thank you!

Oh no no no, Poland between the wars was self sufficient, during the Commonwealth also, it didn't need no foreign help or investment, during communist times education was improved alot to get a PhD in those days was truly something, it's when foreign powers started to mingle in our affairs, impose their political system on us, reduce trade between our countries on purpose or invade us is when Poland fell.

That might have not been their destiny. It seems clear Poles wanted Poland to be an independent democracy.
And people do benefit from tourism. Having visitors with money to spend can be a good thing.

usually colonizers present it like that.

Rudyard Kipling, The White Man's Burden, 1899

Take up the White Man's burden--
Send forth the best ye breed--
Go bind your sons to exile
To serve your captives' need;
To wait in heavy harness,
On fluttered folk and wild--
Your new-caught, sullen peoples,
Half-devil and half-child.

Take up the White Man's burden--
In patience to abide,
To veil the threat of terror
And check the show of pride;
By open speech and simple,
An hundred times made plain
To seek another's profit,
And work another's gain.

Take up the White Man's burden--
The savage wars of peace--
Fill full the mouth of Famine
And bid the sickness cease;
And when your goal is nearest
The end for others sought,
Watch sloth and heathen Folly
Bring all your hopes to nought.

Take up the White Man's burden--
No tawdry rule of kings,
But toil of serf and sweeper--
The tale of common things.
The ports ye shall not enter,
The roads ye shall not tread,
Go mark them with your living,
And mark them with your dead.

Take up the White Man's burden--
And reap his old reward:
The blame of those ye better,
The hate of those ye guard--
The cry of hosts ye humour
(Ah, slowly!) toward the light:--
"Why brought he us from bondage,
Our loved Egyptian night?"

Take up the White Man's burden--
Ye dare not stoop to less--
Nor call too loud on Freedom
To cloke your weariness;
By all ye cry or whisper,
By all ye leave or do,
The silent, sullen peoples
Shall weigh your gods and you.

Take up the White Man's burden--
Have done with childish days--
The lightly proferred laurel,
The easy, ungrudged praise.
Comes now, to search your manhood
Through all the thankless years
Cold, edged with dear-bought wisdom,
The judgment of your peers!

Heh:)

You both are not polish Poles, don't you? Telling! ;)


Erm...and what does Poland have now???

Your are describing the current status - even with EU money. Wow. What a success of EU funds...

If that money is so helpful, why do Poles still leave their country in order to find work elsewhere?

Looks to me that the funds are not getting there where they should be.

I don't know a single soul that left Serbia after visa regime was changed. that means that people that are running around there are most probably Gypsies with our Passport or your Albanian friends who somehow got our Pass. Enjoy!

But watch out.....Multiculturalism may fail again.

What an idiot thing to say!

Do you know when Poland became an member? Do you really think a Wirtschaftswunder will happen over night???

And since it takes awhile you conclude Poland would even better off without any help at all?

Gah!