Does democratic Poland guarantee it's LGBT citizens respect for human and civil rights?

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We would have to start another thread called "Does democratic Poland guarantee it's MEN respect for human and civil rights" to answer your qusetion.

I will do my best to basically answer it here however.


That is a two part question E-men.
First, men don't really love feminists, they are stuck with the lesser of two evils.
If they stay with them and take the brow beating it is much more economical.
If they leave them they pay attorney fees, alimoney, child support, a house payment for a house they don't live in, lose half of everything they have..............well you get my point.

Second, feminist women don't really love men, they tolerate men, feminists are opportunists and use men to advance their selfishness at the expense of a men and then wonder why their man cheated on them or become alcoholics.

That's what the American laws support anyways.
Thank goodness the feminist movement has slowly been declining as the sperm donors have caught onto their game.

We would have to start another thread called "Does democratic Poland guarantee it's MEN respect for human and civil rights" to answer your question.

So Polish men are so weak and brainless as you describe ?

@ johnny reb

You come across as a very bitter person. What did women ever do to hurt you? Especially feminists?

Seriously, feminists are the most attractive, sexiest, most loveable of all women. Why? Because they're confident, capable and assertive. Those are positive qualities in a person, especially a potential partner or spouse.

Feminists don't need men for money or status - they are happy earning their own incomes and don't judge themselves or others by whether or not they have a man. So if a feminist is with you, it's because she wants to be with you, not because she aspires to be a simpering Stepford wife who tolerates her husband because she feels she has no alternative.

Luckily Poland is one of the best countries in the world for feminism. Its girls out-perform boys at school, are more likely to go to university, and have a high level of employment. They also celebrate international women's day. It's one of the many reasons why Polish women are so special.

Please don't get feminist and feminine mixed up. One got nothing to do with the other. A man can be a feminist for example.

Ah yes E-men, those are the women that I respect also.
The ones that actually can walk their talk and carry their own weight.
It was the neo natzi feminists that I was referring to.
The ones that get a man's haircut and start wearing men's pants are the ones I don't trust.

You obivously have never run into man-haitng femi-fascists, so obsessed they even resent such words as "mankind". Funny, because many of them are extremely "manniush".

Met many, have you?

The biggest feminist I know happens to be rather attractive and very normal. I've never heard her complain about words such as "mankind", but she does complain about men telling her what she can and can't do with her own body.

Oh they do have their moments of bliss.
We have no problem with that kind.
The ones we are talking about try to tell us men what to do with our body and why we must do it exactly the way that meets their whim or else.

It's not PMS it's JMS. (johnny must suffer)

Now here once again Polonius I am in agreement with you and Johnny. I know the type of woman you're referring to, utterly po-faced, humourless and unfeminine. They don't even seem to like other women very much, if they catch a woman wearing lipstick or a pair of earrrings she's in big trouble. Did you ever see the movie Borat where he's talking with a group of 'feminists' of this type and the voice-over says 'I could not concentrate on what this old man was saying to me'? Great stuff!

I remember when I was living in London and policitcal correctness was going crazy. There were objections from a group of feminists about the term 'manhole'. I don't know if you call them that in the States, you know the entry from the pavement to the sewers. Anyway, as a result of this nonsense the local council renamed manholes something ridiculous like 'personal access chamber'. As Johnny Reb would say WTF?? Sorry for using my 'barn voice' me bein' a lady and all but honestly...

Unit shrinkers.

Yes, that's what it's called in the Colonies. Feminists cirticised oen of JP2 translated sermons for saying "man does not live by bread alone." Their lingusitic ignorance showed because in Polish we differentiate between człowiek (human) and mężczyzna (man). They also want postpersons and flight attendants (no stewardesses anymore). What about kids in winter building a snow--- ? May they use the M-word? What about dustmen? Are they now to be called dustpersons.

Yes I know. It's completely ludicrous and any confident, sensible woman would have nothing to do with such nonsense in my opinion. I can't see what's wrong with steward/stewardess, actor/actress and so on. It's normal to have the masculine and feminine forms of words. As a woman I have the right to acknowledged as such, that's how I see it.

Really? In my experience feminists are whinny privileged women from the first world who all their shortcoming blame on men and imaginary patriarchy and complain that the world do not revolve around them. In fact it is ideological group with an agenda akin to that of a cult.

Are you sure you know first thing abut feminists? The reason I ask is because you are waffling a lot of nonsense.

I don't think Englishman is talking about feminists in the sense of political activists with a feminist agenda. I think he's talking about the average modern woman who's independent, not needing a man to 'take care' of her but being happy to have a man to share life with on equal terms.

Feminist is a person who support feminism.

Well, yes, that's one definition but what's feminism? People would vary in their definition of that I think. Anyway, it's off topic so we'd best leave it I suppose.

I don't see a distinction between the two groups. There are plenty of women who campaign on women's rights issues who are also independent and happy to share life with a man on equal terms. They're the professional and personal faces of the same person.

Some people here seem to be obsessing with a stereotype of a feminist as an aggressive, man-hating harridan who becomes enraged at politically incorrect use of language. Does anyone like that even exist? There can't be many.

i don`t scream


you are right. Lesbians love vagina, too. Its fine with me


exactly


well, i like to consider myself rather patriotic, even tribal. Slavs are old civilization (old people) and word `nationalism` was invented on the west of Europe as result of necessity to explain process of formation of new peoples.

and sure, i don`t consider myself homophobic. Way of life is in Serbia considered something private. So, people don`t dare to give advice to others how to live. Same way they don`t like to receive advices. That is why `pride` parades aren`t popular among majority of Serbs. `Prides` are marketing of one way of life. Why would i listen about way of life of others, when i myself don`t feel necessity to change way of life of others? Let`s not attempt to change each others. Let`s coexist. If i want to learn about the way of life of homosexuals i would ask (as i did), my colleagues with whom i worked. Simple i asked, wanted to know more. It was told to me and that`s it. In turn, i was asked about man-woman relations and that was all. Few years later started TV campaign about `prides` as part of Serbian EU membership precess. Nobody was sure why Serbia needs those campaigns. So, it was understood as marketing of one way of life.


read between the lines. maybe that help ;)


yes, i am sexist sometimes. Sometimes


Thanks for your trust in me. Just little more effort to free yourself from prejudices. After all, don`t forget that some 25 years ago Yugoslavia was more advanced then Eastern Germany or any other eastern European country.


i do consider my self socially responsible but, neither i expect that others care for my way of life, neither myself care how others live. Simple no time. Of course, its good when peoples choices of the way of life don`t threatening others peoples choices.

Polonius3, maybe give this some extending thought.

A. Back off and let those men who want to marry men, marry men.
B. Allow those women who want to marry women, marry women.
C. Allow those folks who want to abort their babies, abort their babies.
D. In three generations, there will be no Progressive Liberals or Homosexuals.

Brilliant one would say old chap.

quote=Tori]there will be no Progressive Liberals or Homosexuals[/quote]
There will also be no family, no morality, no values and a totally disintegrated and anarchised society.
BTW, you forgot to say: let those who want to marry their brothers or sisters or their pets marry.

Don't be so negative. For the past few decades society has been only getting better.

and how is gay people getting married akin to marrying your pet?
fgs Polonius you are just being silly!
IMHO, if I were a gay woman I would not even want to get married in a church.
A civil partnership would do me fine. Even that had to be fought for though!!

Pitiful that some of you put human beings simply because they are homosexuals to the same level as animals! This is sickening.

Furthermore, being so obsessed by other people's sex life is not normal. Having been around homosexuals, I can assure you that they don't care about your sex life so give them a break!

Same sex marriage shall be legal in Poland too. It's a matter of time and there is no way you can stop it!

'some of you' - no inPolska, it is not 'some of us' it is 'one of us'.

@Rozu: ok then but even if "one of us", it's one too many.

Do I hear TWO ?


We are not putting human beings on the same level as animals, we are putting their morals on the same level as animals.
You are not Polish are you "InPolska" ?

Yes, you are putting human beings to same level as animals since associating same sex marriage with marriage with one's pet.

What about your so called "morals"! Who are you do decide what 2 consenting adults should do in private?

PS; I live in Poland, hence my name.

does one have to be Polish to have an opinion on this then Johnny?

@Rozu: "lol" :)

Then I am correct that you are not a Polish citizen hence just pretending to be Polish.