Does democratic Poland guarantee it's LGBT citizens respect for human and civil rights?

Since the thread title is so restrictive I've suggested you start one up titled HOMOS IN POLAND AND ELSEWHERE. Then all aspects of your favourite group could be freely and openly discussed. I suggested you do that because of your hand-on experience, expertise and presumed desire to provide fellow-PF-ers with more comprehensive information about that community.

OK, if you prefer using that idiotic euphemism, you can call it Gays in Poland and elsewhere.

P.S. Looks like a scene out of "Animal Famr" which features your favourite words of wisdom: "Everyone is equal but some are more equal than others!"

Plenty of such threads, all started by yourself...

Here we go again.......
jon comes back with his infamous insults when he can not defend his stance when Polonius3
corners him with the truth.


Snippets used for brainwashing and minus the snippets Liberals are at a loss for words because they can't argue the truth as you can see in this case so the insults start to confuse the issue.

Game over jon, time to sit back and read what others have to say without you responding to EVER single post that you disagree with by using your snippets.

In what way is a rant about his prejudices the 'truth' about human rights in Poland, then?

That's no good because you've never substantively replied to any query but tried to derail any meaningful diuscussion with such red herrings as "What's that got to go with Poland" or "LGBT rights?" Like I said, you are the most well-qualified to start one and fill it with actual facts, personal expertise and the nitty-gritty about the communtiy rather than academic suppositons based on online stats.

You mean staying on topic?

Rather than discussing matters irrelevant to human and civil rights in Poland.

Certainly, one thing that Poland should be proud of is that this thread has remained at the top of PF for weeks now. Obviously we've come a long way from the bad old days when such topics weren't even discussed, let alone accepted like in today's Poland.

I predict we'll see civil unions recognised within a few years, and gay marriage will be legalised within 15.

Got to disagree with you there: civil unions are already recognised within Poland, as are same-sex marriages. The only question is when the actual legally binding ceremonies themselves will be carried out in Poland rather than the happy couple needing to jump on a cheap flight to a less bigoted country for the legally binding part of a wedding.

That is why it's high time you, an expert in all facets of the subejct, are richly qualified to start a thread not belabouring the so-called "rights" issue (everything about that has been said a million times), but one highlighting your community in all its richness and variety, its cultural,political, economic, sociological, etc. profile and everything about it. You surely don't believe "gays" are boringly and stereotypically monothematic, do you?


Will they include incestual partnerships and marriage? Equality is equality, innit?

Some of them doubtless, others not. However the whole point is that rights are universal. They don't depend on the character or habits of the individual or their achievements, fine qualities, or on what they excel at or don't. Or anything else. Human and civil rights are non-negotiable.

I still can't understand how those who talk about freedom seek to deny others the same thing. It's completely illogical.

You've got your rights thread to play with so go ahead. Beat the horse to death and enrich it with sidebars such as incestual rights, bisex trios, harems, whatever -- anything can and has been called a "right".

But what about a more comprehensive thread? . There is no restriction on that. Put it into random -- no big deal.

Vulgar!


Indeed, what about it? You've started at least 15 threads on homosexuality already so obviously you have a great interest in it. What's holding you back?

Polonius, you're at it again. Why, oh why, do you keep talking about incest??? It has nothing whatsoever to do with homosexuality.


And the first person to post in such a thread would be yourself no doubt with some bit of filth that you dredged up from somewhere. Jon doesn't start such a thread because guess what, he's normal, yes that's right, a normal person who is not obsessed with being homosexual anymore than I am with being heterosexual. I don't think about my 'hetero-ness' twenty four hours a day. Jon wants to eat breakfast, do his shopping, choose a new carpet, read a book, go to the cinema, normal, normal, normal.

From where I'm standing, those opposed to LGBT citizens of Poland seem to spend far more time thinking about their sex lives than the LGBT citizens themselves. It's surreal.

Polonius, perhaps you could explain for the "anti" crowd why you're against gay marriage? Is it solely a biblical thing?

What, then,m in your view is the next stage, the next rubison the culture of permissive has to cross? Things rarely just end abruptly but develop. The wholesale sexualisation began in the mid-1950s with the "light" Playboy-type mags, very and subtle, a wisp of lingerie and come-hither glance, rather tasteful and subdued, nothing vulgar or brutal. Look at today's itnernet porn to see the road that has been travelled. BTW the pro-incest movement are also using similar propaganda: "We are consenting adults, we work, pay taxes and obey the law and have fallen in love. Why can't we have the right to marry?"

How woudl you answer that?

There is no such thing as gay marriage because marriage is defined between a man and woman.
You need to find a new term for two gays to hook up.
How about "Gay Hook Ups" ?

Lack of firsthand knowledge. Prowadził Marcin Marcina a sam głupi jak świnia - or the blind leading the blind. Only someone with first-hand or, better yet, hands-on information and expertise and reasonably articulate as you are would be qualified.

The old slippery slope nonsense. It's like the scene in the Irish comedy Father Ted where a man has his whistle stolen and a local woman is speculating 'Where will it all end Father, the next thing is we'll have pimps and hoes and the pimps usin' crack to control the hoes and then drive by shootin's in the night. I'm goin' home now Father to lock meself in the basement until they catch that fella'.

Polonius I'm sure you didn't come up with this silliness out of your own head, what was it you read and were foolish enough to believe that set you off on this path?? You're a reasonably intelligent person. Start thinking for yourself instead of imbibing all this rubbish from whatever weird publications you're reading.

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I suppose it's quiet season in politics, so there's nothing else to do but shout about homosexuals and how they're destroying Poland.

Start thinking for yourself instead of knee-jerkingly springing to the defence of the Four Brits. I presume you too are resaonbaly intelligent. Try ot project yourself 10 years from now. Let's assume the incest marriage movement has established itself the way to gay marriage one did 10 years ago.And they are using similar arguments: we work, pay taxes, fall in love and want to marry. Why are we deprived of that "right"?

How to you react? Go with he flow or try to analyse all the pros and cons -- ethical, genetic, religious,political, cultural?

Firstly, I don't know who the Four Brits are. Are they any relation to the Four Horsemen of The Apocalypse? Presumably you mean Harry, Jon and two others? This is not about defending anyone on this forum. It's about pulling you up short when you behave in a very anti-social manner towards your fellow men and I do it because you loudly profess yourself to be a Christian yet your words are often hateful. Also you're committing the sin of boring the arse off everyone which will land you in the fiery pits of Beelzebub.

Moderators don't like us discussing other posters I know, but the two Brits generally speak in calm tones and sound reasonable and balanced whilst you become quite hysterical on a regular basis. Also both Brits have a sense of humour and irony which peppers their comments, as does Johnny Reb who's on the other side of the 'homo' debate. You actually are posessed of a sense of humour yourself, I've seen glimpses of it, though it's rare and you are a solid lump of tedium much of the time.

You've not replied to the hypothetical question I posed re incestual marriage rights.
Basically the broader quesiton is: is every law adopted or decision taken by the public authorities correct? Does anyone have the right of conscientious objection?

I admit I'm not the know-all some posters claim to be nor constantly trying to come up with witty repartees, because the subject at hand is far too serious for jokes. I yearn for a meaty, substantive discussion, weighing all pros and cons, rather than diversions such as "nothing to do with Poland", etc.

" Let's assume the incest marriage movement has established itself the way to gay marriage one did 10 years ago. "

oh fgs stop being so silly for once in your life

It will never happen nor will marriage between people and animals which is another one of your fixations.


As other people have pointed out Polonius there are other forums more appropriate for that kind of discussion. Nobody wants to have this discussion with you because the subject is not interesting enough to them. This your own personal obsession.

" I yearn for meat "

lol I bet you do

My personal opinion is this; Homosexuality is wrong because it is a sin. Will I ever respect it, NO, however I will tolerate it because I am also instructed not to judge, God Almighty is the judge, not johnny reb.

Sin is sin so let's call it what it is.......SIN !
This thread is a TWO PART question with respecting human right and civil right which contradict each other.
Let's replace the word LGBT in this thread with Theives, Murderers Rapist, Child Molesters, ect.
The answer would be of course NO because they are laws made by man.
Now let's replace the word respect with tolerate.
LGBT are spiritual laws made by God Our Father which is of Christians FAITH..
Is committing adultry, worry, taking the name of God in vain, bearing false witness, judging others, homosexuality all spiritual laws ? YES !
While Poland laws do guarantee it's citizens the right to sin (do they have a choice) it does not necessarily mean that all of Polands citizens have to "respect" said sin.

None of this applies to the atheist (yet) so this is no arguement for them because they do not believe in their Maker because they think they are smarter then He is and going to live that lie.

God gave everyone a free will to make their own choices.
So to answer this threads two part question the answer is NO, not all of Poland will "respect" LGBT because that would mean that the Christian population of Poland (98.5%) would be condoning this sin of the Homosexuals (1.5%) which they will not ever yet they will "tolerate" it.

Therefore one must come to a conclusion that the Christians will never "repect" said sin yet will "tolerate" it and that the atheists, libertine's, heathens will respect said sin because they do not recognize it as sin because they don't know the Lord They God. (yet)

Again Polonius3, they are only doing what they know, what do you expect of them ?

Exactly the same as i think Johnny.

Will i respect homossexuality?

NO

But that doesn't mean that i will preach death to homossexuals. Someone needs to be a huge moron to confuse those to things.

Thank you.
The threads question was a loaded trick question for arguement, which it got, to undermine Christianity.
Very well done by the Op.
I have homosexual friends that I watch sin.
I have drunkard friends that I watch sin.
I have friends that commit adultry.
I have friends who are glutons.
My point is that ALL my friends sin, as everyone sins everyday, including me.
And like you said, it is not my job to correct them especially with violence.
I will tell them what they are doing is wrong in God's eyes and expect them to do the same when they see me sinning.

Being homosexual is not a sin however the sexual acts of homosexuality is sin.
God gave us a choice and in that case practicing self control is the answer.


I would go with the word ignorant rather than huge moron.
Do enjoy as I have said what I have to say about this thread.

Libertinism, run-away permisivism is an open-ended phenomenon. Look what it has done to normal (non-homosexual) marriage!