Does democratic Poland guarantee it's LGBT citizens respect for human and civil rights?

That's what I just said jon.



Are you insinuating (like Harold) that you are when you are not ?
And why would that be worth mentioning about the OP jon ?
Does that have anything to do with this thread ?
Your insults and belittlements to others in this thread are so kindergarden.
The people of Poland have expresed themselves that even if immorality is forced by law in their country doesn't mean the Polish people have to respect it. That is bottom line.

Everytime someone makes a post why Poland will not respect immoral behavior in their Christian country
and why, you (24/7 respond ) come back with mocking little girl insults.
Maybe try taking a day off so others may express themselves to why Poland will not respect immorality as
a right in their country.

I'm glad that they will be appropriately compensated for being discriminated against by Polish officials. I'm angry that they have been discriminated against and I'm furious that I will have to not only pay the costs of the decision taken by the bigot who ruled against them but also carry on paying that bigot's wages.

I can understand why Jon responds so consistently to posts about LGBT issues. He's gay, and many of the posts made on this thread have been very personal and insulting to the gay community who are human beings with feelings, not some mutated subhuman monsters. They deserve to be spoken to and about with some measure of respect and common decency. To me, who came to this forum as an 'outsider' or newcomer a couple of months ago it appeared that a lot of venom was directed at Jon in particular by one other poster who is obsessed by gay men. Jon has been singled out because he's gay and not prepared to stay in the closet on this forum. He has an absolute right and indeed almost a civic responsibility to speak up and not allow himself to be subjected to public abuse and harrassment.

The topic is not about individuals

Thanks Atch. I'm fairly thick skinned about insults due to sexuality. Unfortunately I've seen the effects (including in PL) on men and women who are not :-(

Yes, likewise, I've heard some really bad stories from a friend.

Fortunately, Poland's justice system does respect the complaints of others. Hate speech might not always be recognised by the courts, but it is sometimes enough to set an investigation going in order to produce results.

One would like to think that he wouldn't need to speak up and that the moderators here wouldn't allow anybody to be subjected to public abuse and harassment due to their sexuality any more than they would allow anybody to be subjected to public abuse and harassment for being black. However, while Poland now guarantee that the human and civil rights of its LGBT citizens are respected, PolishForums is a very different kettle of fish.

People are allowed to express their opinions even if you disagree

Yes Jon and especially the younger gay people. I mean, imagine the feelings of a young gay person,maybe a teenager who's struggling to come to terms with their sexuality and sees the kind of cruel remarks made by people on this forum, the loathing and disgust expressed by others. It's borderline child abuse.

That is a very positive opinion Harold.
My opinion would have to disagree because changes don't happen over night so no, no they are not being anymore respected this week as they were last week and hopefully Poland will stand strong against immorality and the libertines that are trying to promote it here on the P.F.

Sob sob, boo hoo...he can a struggle to come to terms with whatver he wants as long as long as his super-agenda lobbyists don't try to take over abd stick their nose into everything. Applicaiton forms, primary school sex ed, maybe a quota system. We can feel sorry for the genetically impaired, but not just one group consstituing 1.5% of society. What about the child born without legs or blind. Somehow those hard-luck stories don't get that much play and are not taught about in schools -- only the LGBT agenda is constantly at centre stage. It's always the cute little penguin with two daddies, etc., never the cute little penguin born without legs or wings.

Firstly, your idea of what is taught in schools seems to be entirely related to America and is completely warped. I can tell you that no LGBT material or agenda is found in the Irish schools where I taught. However Irish schools are actively involved in charity work for all kinds of causes such as Temple Street Children's Hosptial and Our Lady's Hospital for Sick Children in Crumlin. Staff and children raise funds for epilepsy, cancer, foreign missions, the list is endless. Children with disabilities such as Downe's Syndrome, deaf or wheelchair bound are educated alongside their 'normal' peers in mainstream schools with support from special needs assistants. Ireland as a whole and Irish youth have an outstanding record in contribution and inclusion of the poor, the sick, the marginalized. Maybe one day Polish schools will emulate that.

OK, everyone back to the topic

Do you think that respect for the human and civil rights of Poland's LGBT citizens should extend to them not being subject to hate speech? Poland's courts think that it should. For example:


pinknews.co.uk/2012/12/05/poland-gay-man-wins-homophobia-case-against-dutch-supermarket-netto


pinknews.co.uk/2009/08/24/polish-gay-man-wins-damages-from-homophobic-neighbour-in-landmark-case

Do you really think that?

And people wonder why LGBT people have to stand up for their rights in that face of such paranoid nonsense...


And quite right too.

What other genetically impaired group, ie people born some way beyond their control (disabilites, phobias, various disorders, etc.) that set them off from the rest of the population get as much media, popculture and curriculum exposure as the LGBT types. When did you last read a children's book about "the Little Penguin" with no wings or arms? Have you ever watched an annual Cripples on Parade event? Are these not human beigns who deserve every bit as much consideration as your sexually-orientatred minorities? You know very well what I mean so don't strain yourself to come up with some clever (to you only) repartee.

The 'group' in the thread title are not impaired...


That's actually a repulsive comment even by your low standards...

It isn't even relevant to the thread. Like it or not, Pol3, in Poland we respect people's human rights.

@Jon: this shall go on and on and on for ever but please be wiser than Pol3, just stop answering his attacks. When you stop responding, he'll drop it. I know this is extremely hard and painful to be attacked because of stupidity and ignorance due to bigotry but unfortunately we still have those in the 21st century, and not only in Poland but all over the world.

I am sure that in real life you don't hang around such people so why should you waste your time and energy on a forum? Pol3 has a deep hatred of homosexuality, which does not even seem rational to me. How the hell can one hate someone just because he/she looks/is different? It beats me.... There are good and bad people in all social groups and Pol3 should learn this.

I freak out when a gay/lesbian kid has parents such as Pol3, Johnny Reb & consorts. The kid is in real danger.

You have forgotten to mention that slinging out abuse and insults towards people who do not see eye to eye with you about the same sex marriage or any other issue comes very easily to you. Yet, you smoothly managed to present yourself as a victim.

Let not forget here that


have little to do with the same sex marriage and LGBT agenda. However incidentally insults due to sexuality does fit the profile of the topic and as such could be debated here.

I for one would think that it is a very good idea to debate rights homosexuals enjoy in Poland at the moment. Instead we have been witnessing here, page after page of crude propaganda promoting political LGBT agenda and as its counterpart on the other side of the spectrum we can read Polonius obsessive musings revolving around homosexual bedroom activities. Enough is enough.

What rights do they enjoy that ordinary citizens don't benefit from?

Really? Do show where...


Better than in most of the world, certainly, but still a way to go. Some on the conservative side of things would like it to be like Africa, south of the, ahem, Nile.


No such thing...


Quite.

For one, no other 1.5% minority foists itself on the public with their outrageous pink wig, feather and simulated sodomy parades to the sound of deafening music.

Foists itself on the public???


Yeah, right...

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Seems fair to me. They don't damage anything or hurt anyone, unlike the other 1.5% minority that routinely destroys Warsaw every November.

Still, having seen the last march in Poznań, there was a definite lack of simulated sodomy. Rather disappointing, given that Polonius promised there would be.

That's good news and, as far as I know, nor is there much of that in Polish schools either. But one must be on one's guard because forces are at work to sneak in different unwanted thinns as faits accomplis.

Your protrayal of Irish schools is truly heartening if Irish youth get sensitised to the plight of the disadvantaged and disabled. But the news and entertianment media (Hollywood is US-based but spans the globe) tend to focus on the sensational and scandalous and LGBT types seem to fit the bill. Ever here of a rally proclaiming "Proud to have Down Syndrome" or Epileptic Pride Parade?

Spot on, but haters are haters. They have no coherent arguments to back up their point of view (which is why they don't get what they want either in the US, the UK, France or even in Poland), so like our friend here they just resort to lies and vulgarity.

And meanwhile the world turns without them, and human rights become more and more an entrenched part of our society.

theguardian.com/society/2011/may/11/hardest-hit-march-disabled-people

Oh Polonius... wouldn't it be a good idea to turn off the computer once in a while?

At this point jon should chime in with his boringly predictable WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH POLAND? But you and I know he won't. The Brit Bully gang stay together and bash only normal families, Polish tradition, the Church, clergy, PiS and all those alerting others to the libertine threat.

i suggest that we now start thread about rights of cyborgs and artificial intelligence beings. How diverse may be life of homosexual and heterosexual cyborgs? What you people think?

Spot on post Pol3.
You nailed it again.


My sorry ass, we have now gone from bigots to haters. Now we are haters according to jon.
No jon, I am not a hater. What I am is against someone trying to force me accept sin and tell me that it is not wrong. How does that make me a hater ?


I certainly have no respect for promoting sin Harold.
Just because there is a law that says I can't use words like tail gunner, fagot, fudge packers, fems, queers,
certainly doesn't mean that I have to respect them.


jon save it. Just look at the kids on here that have been brainwashed with the big lie that if it isn't hurting anyone else then it is o.k. to do. NO, no it is not o.k., sin is not o.k. no matter how much you want to deny it.

Oh jon... wouldn't it be a good idea to turn off the computer once in a while ?

There was a protest not so long ago by disabled children, wasn't there? They also drew attention to themselves and shouted loudly and made a lot of noise.

Anyway, may I remind you that there are plenty of LGBT citizens that also like and follow Polish traditions. Then again, you wouldn't know this, because the only interaction you seem to have with the LGBT community in Poland is on PolishForums.

Yes, but did not call it a Disabled Pride Parade. Whether disabled by accidents or congenitally, it is not something they are rpoud of but are seeking help.

But he genetically impaired LGBT crowd are glamourising their flaw and are trying to turn it into a lifestyle option with its own symbols, celebrations, fashions and feathers. That's a huge difference.

Indeed. And who are happy that human rights are respected by Polish law and the constitution as well as European law which in any case takes precedence. And shrug off the bad behaviour of bigots like water off a duck's back.


I wouldn't be so sure of that one...