Does democratic Poland guarantee it's LGBT citizens respect for human and civil rights?

Yeah, right.

If poland goes there they must allow vote not cheat like usa has done. It's all pointless talk we shall see how well it goes soon enough.

`marriage` as institution is anyway in problem. So, `same sex marriages` can`t make the difference. People were and would always live as it suits them. Its private thing.

Other things are problem. Problem is that there is no strong cultural opposition of Polish society (and generally Slavic societies) on trends in global environment. There is no alternative to the way of life that propose west of Europe and USA. That is the problem.

Or maybe, there is the alternative but that alternative don`t have capacities to move and change things. At least for now.

so great :)

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@FlaglessPole; I love it!

@Flag: very "cute"! :)

@FlaglessPole

The green vehicle should head straight out to the woodlands lining the motorways. Maybe some homo lorry drivers will be a new source of income. But watch out for the straight tirówki - they're wicked babies!

"And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."

Dear mod can I start posting silly pictures in this thread? If not, would you be so kind as to remove FP's post?

Just for you:

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@The Other: Very good and also very true. Cowards always need to hide behind a "God"....

Here's another one, this time from Andrzej Mleczko about the situation in Poland

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@Jon: very good! It was posted yesterday but never mind!

It is true that with a drawing, we can say a lot....

In that general vein, the Guardian ran a nice drawing illustrating the proliferaiton of pathology. A man queuing at the registrar's tells his goat: "As soon as those two gents are married, it'll be our turn." Check it out:

ukmediawatch.org/2013/07/07/why-does-the-guardian-continue-to-employ-a-far-right-homophobic-cartoonist/

@Polonius3, human beings are one race, goats are another. This cartoon is stupid, bigoted, homophobic and hateful, as expected from its bigoted author (Andrzej Krauze) and as expected of you to bring hateful content like that to this forum.

Poland Respect LGBT rights because it is a democratic country, not one of those extremist theocracies that kill gays.

Just sad about what happened yesterday in Turkey... they are really becoming another Iran or Saudi Arabia.

Most of the hateful content has been brought by family haters, God bashers and deviates.

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Absolutely. The whole point of laicity. Something which is growing in Poland as religious observance declines. Turkey has laicity, but as in Poland, it's the difference between the big city and the hicks. The city always wins, and in Poland civil rights are protected (and this is only increasing). Just as many would be surprised about how liberal Turkey can be.

"Turkey has laicity, but as in Poland, it's the difference between the big city and the hicks."

Yesterday gays and sympathizers (old peoplr and kids) were shot with rubber bullets and gas in thr middle of Istambul. Istambul is not a small city, is the biggest and most modern city in Turkey.

It makes no sense call poland as a backward country like you do so often just because it doesnt allow gay marriage (but dont put police to kick gays in the streets) while call Turkey as a secular country while they spanked pacific gays just because was Ramadan.

You need to be coherent: If Poland is not so modern, at least is not at the stone age like Turkey.

You have made your point however Islam is not the topic

I think you have not read that article Polonious.....

The writer concludes by saying:

"................It's truly difficult to understand how the "liberal" Guardian could fail to sympathize with those who complain that Krauze's grotesque characterization of gay sexual intimacy - as somehow morally synonymous with bestiality - legitimizes extreme hatred towards the Polish LGBT community.

And anyway, the Guardian has an anti-censorship, but reverse pyschology approach. Stop me if I am wrong, but I believe the Guardian was the first UK newspaper to print the two words that often come to mind when expressing annoyance or contempt - "f@@@" and "c@@@". You clearly don't understand it's raison d'etre here. It would employ such a clown (albiet an academic thinker) to tell us all to beware of his nasty medieval message.

I think that gem of advice is something that you might more profitably apply to yourself. You failed to appreciate that a. the tradition of using teargas on public gatherings is a very very common occurrence in Beyoglu (I've been caught up in it myself while shopping on Istiklal Caddesi) and that b. a very large part of the issue is that the religious people from hicksville chose a president who dislikes both laicity and the intellectual/social freedom that one finds in Istanbul.


Istanbul is far from 'stone age' and Poland is certainly modern - which is why civil rights are respected there. Nevertheless the urban/rural dichotomy does exist in PL. Poland's Worst President, when he was Mayor of Warsaw tried to ban the Parade there. There was still a gathering and he attracted condemnation from within Poland and from elsewhere.

And later a court ruling established that he had violated people's rights.

I remember that now. It was just huffing and puffing. They just don't realise how it harms their cause because although in Poland, especially in th small towns and villages there's still quite a degree of antipathy, displays like that just make people think. A clown's a clown and when PiSuarzy, JK-M, the Mlodziez Wszechpolska, Terlikowski etc start making tits of themselves, people are just put off by their behaviour.

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Well jon this morning the Texas Attorney General announced that the County Clerks can refuse gay couples.
This sends a loud clear message to the Supreme Courts illegal ruling by violating the Constitition.
What you call the "hicks" of Poland may very well stand strong against the immorality being forced upon
Poland like the "hicks" of Texas just did jon.


And this may very well happen in America also once Obama is out of office.

Let the lawsuits in federal court begin!

Much the same as in Poland when various politicians have tried to impose they bigotry on others, for example Kaczynski/Giertych trying to restrict access to the teaching profession. They have so far always lost - and it has been expensive for the country.

Good, let them begin, no one will ever collect no matter who wins.
Poland is no different then any other country in the world.
Remember I told you this: People will only be governed as much as they want to be governed.


Jon what do you think the 1.5% of Homo's are doing !
Exactly, IMPOSE their immorality upon the majority. Do a 180 here Pal.
I can't see Poland being brow beat by the minute number of discusting Homosexuals.
This is not about love, it's about destroying Christianity and guess which ones the Poles are going to
demand stay strong in your life time.
Better you and your boyfriend move to Ireland to live your fantasie because the "hicks" (your word) in
Poland aren't about to cave anytime soon.

People already have in Poland.


Great to see the antis huffing and puffing when things don't go their way.


How would you know....

not sure about this 1.5 per cent that people keep quoting - nearer ten per cent IMO.

And Johnny how on earth would you know about life in modern Poland? Have you even been there?
Serious question as you are always going on about being in Jamaica or wherever.

It very much depends on the definition one uses really. If you say that only LGBT people who are 'out' about that fact can be counted as Poland's LGBT citizens, then 2% to 3% is probably about right. If the definition is 'Have you ever had sex with a member of the same sex', 10% is probably a bit low as the percentage of Poland's citizens who are LGBT (especially for Polish women). If the definition is 'Have you ever wanted to have sex with a member of the same sex', 10% is certainly very low (especially for the very homophobic men here).

Your OPINION is staggering IMO Harry.


Oh, I thought we were talking about



You should see them when they get drunk, that really gets antis rednecks pro Homo's attention.


I have enough friends in Poland that have told me so.
Your forum here is not the only source to Poland.
Rose, the 1.5% comes from a national statistic but you are allowed to have any opinion that floats your boat.
IMO I don't think it is even 1.5%.
Without jon in this thread, who is not Polish, how many native Poles claim to be gay here ? (minus 1% ?)