Decoded talks inside Poland's president's plane are released in Internet

Just one new bit of news....Three members of the Russian special forces stole a credit card belonging to one of the air crash victims , they used it three times...The Polish Police passed information onto the Russians about the theft , and the three Russian thieves have been arrested very quickly.... source from the newspl...

Now that is embarrassing!

Well, the Russians could also have gained access to secret NATO codes:

washingtontimes.com/news/2010/may/13/inside-the-ring-86422687/

Quite embarrassing too :) Some more decoding work to do, LOL

Its good the Russians were quick to nail the guys though.....

Now it is clear, from decoded talks, that it was Kachinskiy who ordered to land...

Oh, how is that, CK? Go on, show us the evidence.

OH!We knew it for a few days, now! I bet that Russians knew it before the crash.
nihil novi sub sole

hmmm, believe me! It is not because of my personal dislike, but...but....he already had such problems in the past...It was he, there is no need to cover it with silence

Some learn from their mistakes, CK. The pilots would have told him that it was too unsafe in that case.

not seen this report...where was it reported...?

It wasn't and that's the point! His voice was not heard in the transcript.

Why should it....? Kach had some subordinated persons who could transfere his orders to pilots

And you know those people, CK?

this is chilling!



Drama last moments of the flight to Smolensk showed even more recently published transcripts . And although the public has yet audio recordings from the black boxes of the Tu- 154 M , the " Poland and the World" made ​​a simulation of what has happened a few minutes before the crash .

The material is based primarily on transcripts published on Tuesday. In addition to the simulation used all available.

In this article, German aviation experts think the Polish Plane Crash was engineered and an act of terrorism. They think the Russian GPS/Satellite data going to the Polish plane was distorted.

derhonigmannsagt.wordpress.com/2010/05/30/katyn-2-leading-german-aviation-experts-it-was-an-act-of-terrorism-engl/

The article is also terribly researched - just like your constant nonsense about the guy who shot the video on the ground at Smolensk.


It is a fact, huh? So - let's see. GPS had nothing to do with it, because what they were using had nothing to do with GPS. They were on course, as verified by the passing of the NDB markers and by the ATC. They also had a clear indication of when they reached 100 metres - the fact that they were not cleared to go below 100 metres and yet did so should tell you a significant amount.


Really? I'd like to know how such a device can "distort" a radar device.


They gave the data several times.


And - anyone with a basic knowledge of this system knows that the system wasn't capable of operating at Smolensk, because it didn't have the relevant data. Nothing to do with evil electro devices - and everything to do with the lack of data.

so, "MediaWatch" - can you tell me why they persisted with attempting to land despite being told clearly by Smolensk control that "conditions for acceptance : none"?

The funny thing is - none of the conspiracy theorists so far have actually picked up on a strange discrepancy. I'll leave it to them to try and figure it out! ;)

Where was it reported "conditions for acceptance: none". Is that according to the Russians?

Thousands of planes land in bad weather all the time, but their altimeters and other equipment have to be receiving ACCURATE GPS, satellite, altitude data etc if their visual abilities are compromised.

You are basically taking the word of the Russian government on this whole thing. There is no concrete evidence that the pilots in the plane were receiving the warnings at the times given by the Russian transcripts. We won't know for sure what really went on until those black boxes are given back to Poland. Oh but wait, the black boxes aren't going back to Poland LOL

delphiandomine, we just heard about how 3 Russian police in charge of securing the Polish crash were looting the dead Polish people from the Polish crash site. One dead Polish person had his credit card being used by those Russian "police" "government officials" the same day as the crash.

Do you really think that was the only shady Russian thing going on in reference to this Polish plane crash? Do you really think we can rely on the viewpoint of those with that "honesty" and "integrity" when it comes to this plane tragedy?

I think Mediawatch has a point. Obviously the Russians brought down the plane carrying the Polish president as an ingenious plot to steal the dead passengers credit cards!

We all know how short on money Russians are these days!

And obviously you're a fool if that's how you interpreted my comments LOL

Relax, I was just joking. Anyways I generally agree with your views, so don't think I have something against you.

Sure Seanus! There was two whom one easily can attribute as such kind "transmitters".
First - someone who was named "director"
Second - high ranked person, I don't correctly remembere his exact position, but suppose he was military aviation general or minister.

One would think you are told to spread idiocies on the internet, but FSB can't possibly have idiots of your caliber working for them.

No, it's according to the transcript which the Polish state has authorised at the very highest level - and let's not forget that the same body that authorised the release invited Jaroslaw Kaczynski to attend. If you believe that the transcript is false, then you're directly accusing some of the highest people in Poland of lying too.


Keep talking, you're doing a great job of showing everyone that you don't have the slightest clue about aviation.

For a start - there was no ILS installed at Smolensk-North, nor was there one in recent times. We know this from the lack of antennae for an ILS system.

Satellite data? GPS? This is all very recent innovations in the field of aviation - and GPS isn't generally used for landing with. It might be useful for determining position, but it isn't to be completely relied upon due to the American ability to switch it off at will.

Tell me, what do you know about the altimeters installed in planes? How do you think they work?

The conditions at Smolensk-North were reported by the news agencies as being horrific, I recall CNN using NASA data to confirm that the area was covered in fog at the time. Let's not forget the crew of the Yak - are you saying that they are participating in the cover up of the murder of their colleagues?


No, I'm taking the word of the Polish State. Have you forgotten that Poland, by releasing these transcripts, is confirming them as authentic?


Either you accept them as being genuine, or you accuse the highest military leadership in Poland of covering something up. It's a very serious accusation to make, especially as - well - you're some nobody on the internet and they are of immense importance to the Polish State.


How many times do you need to be told that it's normal procedure under international law for the boxes to be kept in the country where the accident is being investigated? Let's not forget that Poland had their special box, which the Russians couldn't do anything with - which was taken to Poland, decoded, and the results given to Russia. Or are you suggesting that the contents of the box were manipulated by Poles?


I was hoping you'd bring this up.

Perhaps you might want to ask Halina Domeracka as to what happened to her dollars.

Nothing new here, move on.


I think we can trust the Polish State to get it right. Or have you forgotten that this is a joint international investigation?

I'm still waiting for you to pick up on the little discrepancy that is actually interesting :)

Go and read the PPRune discussion of this, its pointless trying to argue if you don't understand basic terrain or ATC system in use. Its discussed in detail on those two threads.

Referring to a valley as 'nonsense' just about sums up you understanding of what happened.

Yes, and aversion seems to mean nothing to you. I was the one who put forward technologies and their applications so cut the crap.

CK, anything could have happened and they are unlikely to say that it was Lech. Anyway, Lech would just have wanted to land and the pilots should have explained the inherent dangers.

This is actually why these conspiracy theories about the Smolensk don't add up - most authors don't have the faintest idea about aviation.

Neither do those who support the official line. They support what they see to be most logical. That's why we need a neutral, aviation debate and not those that make it an adversarial circus.

oh, please, don't send any of these fools to PPRune. They were a real embarrassment last time.

George Bush was there? ;)

What has my post to do with anti-polish?

if they were killed by someone elses, then, it means poland is so weak, unable to protect even their elites..? if pilot error only, then, your elites are flying with novice pilots who land in heavy fog? i dont think either of these is true.. saying it pilot error only is not fair either.. it is an error made by all in plane from president to parliaments to pilot. however, the least guilty is pilot as it is not easy to stay against the president.. note that when talking about life, pilot and president arent different. both are humans..