Decoded talks inside Poland's president's plane are released in Internet

^^^ but i see nothing logical about your "rantings" bud.. seriously.. maybe you need to reread what you wrote... what i and a couple of others keep repeating to you follows logic.. and like i said, this looked like a pilot error from the start.. i also have held conviction that the pilots may have been pressured to land which these transcripts sure seem to suggest that it may have been so.. there were people in the cockpit that did not belong there and one of them being the secretary of the prez.. just makes it seem like pressure that much more..


again, linky?

Funny how the papers are now saying the last words were "k*rwaaaa" when a couple of weeks ago they were saying it was "Jezu!" Makes you wonder how accurate the news they are giving us is.

Plk123, you just interpret the sources differently. Maybe you should cut&paste stuff as it's the same claptrap you come out with. What is this conspiracy word you speak of? I merely examine the evidence which leads me to conclusions. Unlike fans of official versions, I don't like being spoonfed the answer. I am just questioning the evidence. Show me my 'conspiracy' theory, or so-called?

I still follow the logic of the official version but am just checking all the bases. Is that so bad? I said from the start that it was likely just a pilot error but I just find the circumstances hard to accept.

It doesnt matter if this is a factual report or not, the facts can be seen in everyday life in poland. Poles are always late, I service many weddings with my company and they cant turn up on time even for that. Secondly Poles do have the strange notion that they are invincible and nothing can touch them. They also have passing the buck down to a tee. If we consider all this then it is pretty feasible that all these factors combined to put an end to all the lives on board that plane.

Now, when you put it like that.......

BRILLIANT! I bet the last words will be changed to 'it wasn't me, it was his fault', LOL

They lied about the sensitivity of the last few words. Or were they, like the whole transcript, doctored too?

The "jezu" makes them seem like pious individuals on their way to meet their maker. The "k" makes them sound like foul mouthed yobs who could be blamed for a crash... Just at the time that is what they are trying to prove...

ok


like what? that these guys might have been stressed about being late and there was some disturbance in the cockpit and they were not paying attention to all the different things they ought to have and thus "landed" that thing hard into the trees and then the dirt? what's inconceivable about that? some of these other guys here (the pilots) have linked you to official accident report of very similar crashes.. there seems to be a systematic issue in polish airforce, like i and convex talked about earlier. i don't see anything fishy about it.. i sure wish it never happened but it did..


ok.. tell me what isn't true in what he said.. i dare ya.. lol

TBH, Kaczynski wasnt important enough to world politics to be assasinated so no conspiracy here. Who gives a **** what was said at the end of the transcript, people died on that plane and it is likely to have been caused by the pilots or a pilot/kaczynski combination.

It is a hard pill to swallow, especially because of the fact that kaczynski was buried in wawel and if it is found that he actually caused this then its a big middle finger to all the heroes buried there

9/11 was clearly a conspiracy

I've said it all before, plk123. The questions of doubt. How can you be so clear-cut about it when they have changed their story many times? Even the experts say the data is, as of yet, inconclusive.

I believe in the official version as no conspiracy theory is cogent enough. Nonetheless, I want to explore all the angles.

which many thought from the start.. i am still pissed off about it, to tell you the truth.. foker


clearly? lol


the only angle you need to concentrate on is the angle of the plane debris to the runway itself.. pretty clear it was pilot error.. they got lost in the fog and got killed.. no matter what the transcripts say.. there is really no other way the plane could have ended up where it ended up.. that's it.

Exactly, but Fakt seem to be having a field day about being able to print naughty words. I was more in mind to show how dodgy reporting fuels suspicion.

So too was the death of princess Diana

The media already blamed the pilots, now they will blame the unindentified persons in the cockpit.
The real problem the Poles are facing right now is that the twin brother decided to candidate for President. Death becomes a product, if not a brand, that is used to stir up feeling and bypass intelect.

that is highly worrisome to me.. hope most people listen to reason then feelings.. but i am not completely confident of that.


definitely the Queen put a bounty on her head, right on. lol

Assassination can take a many form.
Although I don't think it was an assassination it could have been - referring to president plane!

Surely the pilot would have mentioned sth or even given a hint as to how he deliberately ignored protocol and warnings. Not flying the plane? I'd understand a quick emergency session but why didn't he pull up and cut his losses? No pilot could seriously think that they could negotiate a whole set of trees. Just incidentally, what were those shooters doing on the ground?

Please, quit with the endless posting of this nonsense. The source of that report about this guy was published in one, particularly dodgy Chechen-linked website (that may actually be FSB-funded and designed to discredit the Chechen rebels). It wasn't confirmed by any reputable news source at all.


Good question. It would seem that he was trying to acquire visual contact with the runway and simply allowed the autopilot to take the plane into the ground. Not an uncommon mistake.


From the sounds of things, they didn't see the trees until it was too late.

Still, it's a bit like a shot in the dark and this isn't WWII where Spitfires took risks to snuff out the Luftwaffe.

They didn't see the trees? Even more reason to maintain a higher altitude. Better safe than sorry!

From what I am reading here, he was going on no more than guesswork and you don't jeopardise an elite crew based on maybes.

I just don't get why they couldn't have flown out on the 9th and stayed overnight at a hotel. OK, Smolensk isn't the most happening of places but fine for a sleepover.

Plk123, ranting? It's called discussion rather than merely towing a line that has been fed to you. Were you there? Were you in the cockpit? Then how do you know what happened? Did you write the 4 landing attempts story? How about the change of words from Jezu to Kur*a? Or maybe it was you that wrote the clutching at straws BS that Arkadiusz Protasiuk didn't know Russian? Communication error, was it? LOL

What happens if the decoded talks show that it was a case of authoritarianism - in the direction of the Polish President. He had a reputation for been pig headed and intolerant as we all know. If he has to be somewhere no fog will get in his way etc etc..

Or maybe the crash was a case of classic group-think, that did not ivolve the expertise of the pilots. This would be a massive embarrassment, especially after burying the President in sarcophagus. Lech Aleksander Kaczyński in a matter of minutes would turn from hero to villan.

If one of the above is the case, I would imagine that the truth would never be released in the name of patriotism and the greater good. To put it bluntly it would be a cover up.

They didn't think about the valley. Look at a cutaway view of the terrain profile. Using the radar altimeter instead of the barometric altimeter probably killed them. NDB approach means you can descend to a particular altitude, not a particular height above the ground. By the time they realized how low they were, it was way too late. Big birds like that have quite a bit of inertia...


That would be pilot error 101...

It would appear to be that way. Putin was right on top of it when Tusk came across. So, what is the logical argumentation of the conspiracy theorists?

This thread has provided me with more laughs than any comedy I have ever seen.


There is none. It's just pure paranoia.

The warning signal PULL UP appeared 10 times but the pilots did not act on it. Is it possible that the pull-up mechanism got blocked and that they triied to PULL UP but the plane did not begin ascending?

It's like some other souls already said: even when you give proof that it was just an accident, some depraved souls will try and make something conspiratory out of it.


Yes that is pssbl. It is also pssbl that Santa Claus came and threw the plane on the ground.

>^..^<

M-G (just stop it and accept that it was just an accident as they happen all the time)

This "transcript" is a bull. Even before reading it I knew it will be just a bunch of lies. If they relaesed it on the day one, that wolud be another story. After all this time, they could put there about everything.

I cannot believe that anyone can be so naive, so gullible, to even consider Russian nonsense claims.
If it was genuine accident, they from the start woluld be as open as possible about it.

the theory is that the PIC deliberately flew under the "glidepath", trying to spot the runway in the fog, that's why he ignored the TAWS. The problem was that they apparently did not take under the consideration the large dip in the terrain.

And one, last thing. Try to imagine that Putin died in the plane crash in, lets say UK. Can you imagine Brits shouldering Russians aside, grabing the black boxes and relaasing the first transcripts after a month?

of course. That's how the rest of the world does it. You just don't know it because you are a russophobe living in the past.

I think a big problem here was landing technology. An ILS was in operation but, to my knowledge, Russia doesn't have MLS's. A Microwave Landing System ensures a higher degree of certainty through having a greater signal range than an ILS. It allows the pilot to know more quickly the azimuth and elevation data needed.

Smolensk appears to be a makeshift, scabby airport. Protasiuk was really up against it.

because they were gawking out the windows hoping to see the runway..


i told you, none of that matters.. it's called splitting hairs about something trivial, at best..


there isn't one.. there is no way this is a conspiracy.. no way.. they made a major mistake that cost them all their lives. end of story.,


you can't decode all this stuff on day one.. it's impossible.. only fools like you think that it's doable..


they have and it was.. there is no buts about it.


quit your paranoia as that is not true.


you're finally starting to get it.. yes, old school military airport with hardly the equipment needed to land in super crappy weather.