EU confirms it will take action against Poland over court reforms

Right, it'd probably be German as it barely lost the vote to English when the US was established., And besides, English isn't even my first language nor the only language I know.

That's the UK's big proud legacy? That people speak English? .. big deal... there's actually more Chinese and Spanish speakers than English speakers.

I know some of the the theoretical historical differences, what I'm saying is they don't seem to count for much in a globalizing world and they are liable to count for even less in the future.

From an outsider's point of view (who's known some people from both though I've never lived in either) they seem like different types of apples rather than apples and oranges (if you follow the metaphor).

There's a difference between the UK which has only existed for a little over 200 years, England and Britain. So one needs to make that distinction but Britain most certainly was the world's major power for centuries and without their innovations America would not be the country it is today. You just have to look at the scientific and engineering achievements of the English and the Scots to realize that.

The people rejected to take in 115 migrants - that's clear as day. Yet the Irish government said there can be "no delay" in beginning to transfer the first batch of asylum seekers it intends to accommodate in the hotel. So not only do Irish taxpayers have to foot the bill for parasites staying in a 4 star hotel for FREE t, their traitorous government won't even listen to them and is saying there won't be any delay to transferring them.


HJAHAHHAHAHHA oh man that's funny. Just wait a few years. No single males? I guarantee in no time at all those 10 will become 50 as they breed like rabbits - its known that these migrants have 5, 8, 10+ kids. Plus, they'll bring in all their cousins, uncles, grandmas, aunts, sons, all sorts of people and before long the migrants will outnumber the Irish residents.


America broke off from the British because the colonists were sick of your extortions. Basically the same thing the government does today with the TV licensing fee but 200 years ago. Sadly, after Zionist bankers (Warburg, Khun, Loeb, Schiff, etc) ended up with power and the federal reserve act was passed it ended up just as bad.

That hasn't been the pattern so far in Ireland. We've had Muslims in the country since the 1950s and they still only comprise just over 1% of the population. We don't allow unfettered immigration and family members can't just waltz in. Unlike Poland, we've been taking refugees and asylum seekers for years and the country is still 95% white and Christian and that's a fact.


Once again, I am Irish, not British.

A quarter of births in 2009 were to mothers born outside Ireland


Ireland isn't as bad off as UK with all the stuff like Sharia courts and people marching with Sharia 4 UK signs while patriotic and nationalistic groups are banned... but these far left reforms like changing the constitution to destroy the institute of marriage along with judges being politically impartial, the topic of this discussion, are not going in the right direction. I fear that it will turn beautiful Catholic Ireland into Germanistan or the French Caliphate which has had nonstop state of emergency


I meant the generic you, not you specifically.

And most of those mothers were Polish Dirk.

Yes, Poles are the largest (or one of the largest) groups. The difference is Poles work and contribute to the system. They do the dirty jobs that many Brits and Irish don't want to do - especially in the building trade, factory work, and increasingly agriculture, etc. The Muslim (and to an extent African) migrants do not. I guarantee you none of the Poles coming into Ireland are demanding to be housing a 4 star hotel and have Irish citizens pay their benefits, housing, food, etc. No - they demand a job instead! They hit the ground running and immediately start looking for work - not how to get benefits and housing for free. That's the difference - Poles come to another country and go look for a job, Muslims/Africans come to a country and look for handouts. In fact right now Muslim/African migrants are violently protesting in Italy because they want Armani and Hugo Boss clothes for free - not the off brand clothing that they were generously provided with for FREE.

The census results from 2016 show very clearly that 15% of the population of Ireland are foreign nationals but most of those are from Poland, the UK and Lithuania. You were trying to suggest that a large number of Muslim children were being born in Ireland, you assumed that the quarter of births were Muslim.


But Dirk, we the Irish people voted for it, in a referendum. It wasn't forced on us.

No, I said that they were foreign as in not Irish. Regardless of where they come from, when you have too many foreigners in a nation it causes strife and division. Multiculturalism doesn't work. At best, the problems are less frequent and less severe when the multiculturalism its nations that share a similar culture. That's why there's little problems with Ukranians in Poland. However the same cannot be said for Afghanis in Germany or Sweden - who have a particular propensity to rape and murder European women.


Yes, due to the increasing leftist agenda's influence on people - even in Catholic Ireland. That's fine if the Irish want to go down that route, but don't criticize Poles because we've charted a different path for ourselves. When Ireland changed its constitution - Polish Catholics and others didn't interfere when they opposed the changes. So others shouldn't interfere in our political processes especially when they're made by the party with by far the most support. For a judge to refuse an extradition for criminal reasons because they don't agree with Poland's constitutional court is simply ridiculous and the judge should be let go for clear political bias in her decisions. That would be like if Serbia refused to extradite Milosevic or Karadzic (which most Serbs were against extradition) to the Hague because they disagree with their politics. Or Poland refusing to extradite a person to stand trial for rape, murder, drug trafficking, etc. back to the US because they disagree with Trump's supreme court.

Yes but you said it in response to my comment that the country is still 95% white, so what point were you making? As I say, a good many of them are Poles and others whom we call 'the new Irish'. They have Irish accents anyway, so that'll do us :)) As to the Irish judge, we'll let the European Court decide.

That 95% 'white' means nothing just in the US as there's plenty of people with non-European ethnicity that are still considered white, especially since it's a self identification. Indians are even considered/consider themselves 'Caucasian' in some places as they're considered Indo-European.

Foreign means that an increasing amount of people - a quarter with that number to grow more and more - are not ethnically Irish. Again, if Ireland wants that - fine. Poland has chosen a different path and wishes to remain a homogenous Christian nation where Polish people, not 'foreign' regardless of self identification, are the ones in power. Foreign/those of another ethnicity will undoubtedly bring foreign influence - which increasingly isn't welcome by many citizens esp in Poland. It's not that we don't want foreign people to work, live, study and contribute to the society - but this is Poland, and Poland is for Poles and to be ruled by Poles.


We already know what the EC will decide.

If Poland doesn't want to be mixed up in the political agendas of the EU we must ally with all the other populists from Hungary, Czechy, Austria, Italy, etc and reject the political interference. EU was set up to be a social and economic union - not a political one where decisions from Brussels that go against the constitution and culture of individual states are to be blindly implemented and resistance quashed. Just like the USSR did during Khrushchev and Brezhnev's reign. Afterall they learned from the best - the EU constitution is modeled after the USSR.

Speaking of cucked United Kaliphate:

dangerous.com/42325/u-k-detains-journalists-brittany-pettibone-lauren-southern-charges-racism

This is exactly what I mean - Christians, conservatives, etc are persecuted. The left doesn't want more people to wake up and take a rid pill. They don't want common citizens to realize that indeed others share their same concerns with Islamization of Europe, terrorism, the economic burden, etc. It's disgusting! Well clearly there's no such thing as free speech in UK and now they're even enforcing thought crime. This girl didn't even get to interview hero Tommy Robinson and yet she gets called racist, xenophobe, and a danger to UK society because she isn't happy about the Islamization of Europe. They kick her out for thought crime, not actions as she was refused entry based on what she MIGHT do and MIGHT report on.

I don't believe that British nationals, by ethnicity, are fond of this type of nonsense. Perhaps one day Poland and the expanding V4 will help give countries like UK, Germany, Sweden, etc. back to its people. And yet the liberals wonder why AfD had a meteoric rise in such a short time. Europeans are getting sick and freaking tired of this political correctness and being forced to accept the terrorism, rapes, and all the other problems caused by Merkel's burden on top of having this gender garbage and promotion of depraved sexuality even to children. In one EU country, forgot which one but one of the Scandinavian ones, child's genders are left blank so the kid can decide later in life what gender they are... its insanity and the non brainwashed people are getting sick of this nonsense!

You're applying American principles again. Ireland is not the US. The population self-identifies as overwhelmingly 'white Irish' on the census form and if you walk down the street in any town other than Dublin or Galway, you'll see that for yourself. Galway attracts a lot of foreigners but they come ironically to experience the Gaelic culture, the Irish language which is still spoken in the area and the music. They generally stay a couple of years and then go back home. Most of our foreign nationals are white Europeans with Poles being the largest single group at 3%. Other Europeans make up the bulk of the rest.


15% is not a quarter and that number fluctuates because many people don't come to live in Ireland permanently. It's not a great destination for immigrants except those on lucrative job contracts or students. It has very limited employment opportunities, the cost of living in the three main cities is extremely high and affordable housing is in short supply. As for the ones who stay, there are no ghetto areas or huge communities of foreigners living together. Poles for example don't live in a Polish neighbourhood. They are scattered all over Ireland and integrated into the communities where they live. Their children learn to speak Irish in school, sing Irish songs, learn Irish dancing, play Gaelic sports, speak with Irish accents. Many of them will marry into Irish families when they grow up.

And as for the Syrian refugees, the ones who've been in the country since last year have already been taught to play Gaelic football by the locals and one of them is on the senior team already so could well be playing in the All-Ireland championship matches soon. The Syrians have already been bussed up to Dublin to attend the major national Gaelic football matches :D Ireland is very, very small and integrating is almost unavoidable. We're not like Germany or France or Sweden. We were invaded and occupied from the Vikings onwards over a thousand year period and the culture survived.

theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/13/ireland-refuses-artur-celmer-extradition-poland-justice-reforms-ecj

This could be a problem

I dont see the problem the guy committed crime in Ireland, let him stay in Ireland let the Irish government fund his stay, at least he will not be coming back to Poland bravo.

Ireland is making some kind of political statement supporting the socialist regime in brussles, the rule of law is just fine in Poland business as usual.

It's a problem Dolno because it's a test case which could create a legal precedent that would have a massive knock on effect for the whole of the EU. It also requires the European Court to make a judgement, based not on politics or diplomacy but on EU law so it places the European Court in a very difficult position. They must rule on a sound legal basis, but that judgement could force the hand of the European Commission in its present discussions with Poland. Basically if the European Court rules in Ireland's favour, it would mean the the Commission has no choice other than to proceed to another vote in the European Parliament, this time as to whether Poland is deemed to be in breach of the Rule of Law.

You're wasting your time Roz. I blame the racist (grand) parents for not correcting such nonsense.

You bang on about different races Dirk, but what those people who talk about "cucked" or whatever they call it fail to realise is that quite a large number of immigrants have more right to be in Britain than they have as a matter of fact. Because they were born there.

Of course Poles don't follow the advice that you're always fond of offering me. Because there is no problem in reality. If some Poles don't like the community in the UK they can always leave. Britain is not going to amend its' society just to fit their racist sensibilities.

well yes, it is a big deal, English being the world of international business etc. Yes I know 'there are more Spanish and Chinese speakers' as I went to junior school.

Not sure what your problem is, but you have a massive chip on your shoulder.
Why not just concentrate on your little American life and let others get on with theirs. I am sure the Mayor of London wont be upset..:)

As an aside,the person that replaced him as MP for Tooting is Rosena Allin Khan whose mother is Polish and father Pakistani.

Appears very contrived to me , Ireland is setting the trap for Poland shame on them, wonder what Ireland will be given by the EU for selling Poland out.

Its a political rat trap and you've been caught. as bob would say.

It it's not coming from a politician - rather it is from an Irish judge. The Polish government can defend their position in court if they wish to.

@Dougpol1

Again no one is telling britain to change thats the citizens deal. However dont expect the majority of poland and polish citizens to follow their example or the eus multikulti agende in their country. Keep in mind immigration is a big part of why brexit passed tho. Seems to me a lot of british ppl are sick of the cucks in their government too.

It's certainly very significant timing, with, as far as I know, the case to be heard exactly on the day that the deadline expires for Poland to address the rule of law concerns. However, as mentioned by myself and others, this is not the Irish government, but an individual judge of the Irish High Court. The Irish government generally has very good relations with its fellow EU members and is not in the habit of selling people out Dolno as you well know.

Ha ha, after a meeting, dinner a few bottles of wine. I know how it works. its obvious what has gone on here.

Aileen Donnelly, the judge in question, is no friend of the old boys' club. She used to be co-chairperson of the Irish Council for Civil Liberties which is a human and civil rights watchdog and is a bit of a thorn in the government's side if anything as they do pesky things like objecting to the idea of Ireland having ID cards whenever it's suggested :) Also she's been a barrister for 30 years so I don't think she's trying to make a name for herself or anything. There may be a political reason behind it but I would say that's her own personal view, rather than her being a mouthpiece for the Irish government. The Irish generally try to avoid any confrontation or bad blood with other nations. Even look at how we've patched things up with England over the years. I think the Irish government will be finding this whole thing a bit of a nuisance. They really don't want to be embroiled in this kind of controversy, I'm pretty sure.

Stop D. Stop it right now. Stop using Poland as prompt up for voicing your views. Talk about US of A if that is your want.

Poland has a very liberal policy of immigration, it is very easy to get Polish passport, and that include Muslims, their number is growing. Mosques are being build, founded by SA. Not something that is wise to allow.

The only thing, that Poland didn't follow idiotic, dangerous and crazy policy of taking in some illegal immigrants from of most shii---tholes on earth, mostly Muslims I just a lucky break. So don't overdue it in your imagination as a sign of some grand plan to stop neo-Marxist madness.

One need to be brainwashed and coddled by a nanny state for a least two generations to buy into that nonsense. Poland is had been lucky in that respect, and less lucky in others, and people are not brainwashed to that extend.

That can change. So stop bragging/obsessing about something you have nothing do with.


Dough you are not better, you have no moral high ground. You are just an old judgmental codger with a crush on Lenin and some red BS. Why do you imagine that you are any better that those with soft spot for Hitler? I do not know. Must be something in the water, some kind of pollution in the place you were born.

Virtue signaling doesn't make you a better person.


Aren't you in luck?

My views? 75% of Polish citizens reject immigration from middle east and Africa. And no, we don't want parasitic economic migrants. Kaczynski, Duda, Morawiecki and of course Macierewicz, Szydlo, etc all have the same position. Poles simply don't want our country to turn into the migrant hell of Germany, or state of emergency France, or Swedistan which is now the rape capital of Europe.


ROFL!!!! Yeah, only towards Ukranians and those who know will contribute to the system,.


Did not Morawieczki say that he wants Poland to 'rechristianize' Europe and bring it back to its roots? Are not the V4, which other nations also want to join, fighting the EU's interference and far left agenda? Did not 60k Poles march in warsaw with a bunch of anti-Islamiziation signs, EU flags crossed out, etc.

This is how Poles feel about the EU and immigrants:
MFA anti -migrant video which youtube constantly tries to take down the original and prevent copies from sprouting being posted:
youtube.com/watch?v=6VNZ5j8vujQ

youtube.com/watch?v=3KR0nPaWx_c

Wake up and smell the coffee!

PiS is giving the people their voice back and dignity - Poles are sick of the EU telling them what to do, how to act, and the worst - what to think. We're sick of it and we're not allowing it anymore. Millions of Poles all feel the same way - while they don't want to leave the EU for economic and social reasons they are sick and tired of the political meddling and never imagined that the EU would stick their nose in our affairs so much. If Poland doesn't want migrants, that's our right. If the party that was elected based on campaign promises wants to change certain institutions that's up to them and their communication with the Polish citizenry. If Poland wants to keep its constitution to preserve marriage that's our right. If we want the church involved in our lives and want to make Jesus King of Poland that's our decision. EU cannot tell us what to do, who to take in, what kind of social laws we need, and decide our fate for us. If Poland wants to inform the world of what really happened in Poland during the Holocaust that's up to us. It's Polish citizens and our elected reps, currently PiS, which has that right.

oles, Hungarians, Czechs, Slovaks and now increasingly Italians, the 3 Baltic countries, Austria, Denmark are all going in a more patriotic direction. 3 additional countries just affirmed they'd support Poland over the EU in article 7. Each day the EU leftists and euroscrats lose more clout amongst Europeans - that's why they have to import Muslims and Africans to prop up their numbers. Well, it'll be too little too late in Eastern Europe as entire blocs of country's are rejecting the EU's far left agenda and push to force countries to take in the unwanted parasitic Merkel's burden.

FFS Dirk, are you a broken record? What's wrong with you, singlehandedly turning this forum into an anti-Islamist rant? Who really gives one? This thread is about Sunday closing, and the freedom of choice, and the topic of what muslim women choose to wear has nowt to do with my inability to buy eggs on the second Sunday.

You obviously have trouble reading as this thread is 'EU confirms it will take action against Poland over court reforms'


wrong thread buddy

This thread is about EU pushing a far left agenda that Poles and half the Eastern EU reject and our resistance to it, not the Sunday shopping thread