Closet homosexual politicians in Poland

He gave him a bj but now he isn't sure if it was just a dream.

Anyhow, nobody should care if Kaczynski is gay or not, to me he is not camp enough to be gay, in fact he is not camp at all.

I'm struggling to work out if you really do believe this nonsense or if you're just going with it because you dislike him that much.

Google it in Polish, WP, and see for yourself.

I think it's the opposite, feminine gay men are often attracted to the masculine ones.

So little you know. This is evident on so many levels.

Worth reading up on JK. There's quite a lot out there online.

If you locked me in a white room with nothing else in there I might start reading rumors about other's man sexuality after few days.

I should have taken Wulkan's advice, as I was not locked in a white room and still went ahead and had a quick look at some of the sources that have reported this.

Of course what do I find? First of all, no source that claims to have any proof he is gay [if you have links to any that do Jon, then please feel free to post them here].

Secondly, those sites that even go in to whether he might be gay, are the likes of Pudelek and Tok FM, oh and websites like gaycity that you posted previously. Really top quality sources there.

Those who have suggested he is gay are all people who absolutely despise him i.e. Biedron, Palikot and Walesa, who by the way has since apologised for what he said.

I can't find the Rzeczpospolita piece you mentioned on Kaczynski being investigated. Can you provide a link? I have seen it mentioned on another site but can't find their one.

By the way, Pawel Rabiej, the guy accused of being together with Kaczynski back in the early 1990s, gave a interview to Rzeczpospolita in 2016, where he stated he knew nothing of these rumours at the time and they were just made up nonsense to hit Kaczynski where it hurts and discredit him.

Oh and if there was even a possibility that this could be true, do you not think Gazeta Wyborcza, the most mainstream ant Kaczynski paper in Poland, would have not had a field day with this? Unless of course they knew there was no proof whatsoever of this far fetched nonsense and decided not to risk trying to incorrectly smearing the guy and then getting in to trouble for it.

You might look at some more sensible sources.


More than just a possibility...

Could you provide me with the more sensible sources Jon? Obviously I must not be as good at you at finding things on the internet, as I was not able to find a single sensible source that states Kaczynski is likely to be gay.

Research. It's out there if you look.


Indeed.

What you're basically saying is you can't provide me with a credible source, as there isn't one.

Well, WP, since you don't consider the President of Poland, the one who won the Nobel Peace Prize to be a 'credible' source, I doubt any would satisfy your hunger. As I say, read up on the matter.

Jon you're beginning to sound full of BS right now. I have seen what he said and his apology for it later too.

Other than the former president, who said what he said as a jab at somebody he disliked [and still does] and then later apologised for it, can you provide me with a link to any other site that says this is the case? I can't find any. If you can't provide me with one, I'm going to assume you don't have one to give and we'll leave it at that.

As I say, have a look. It's long been known in Poland, and much reported in Polish language online media (so you'll need to put it though google translate).

Have a look at sources other than those that are likely to be written or read by Kaczynskists.

What is "much reported" in this context is beyond any understanding.

Basically, the whole affair has never existed in Poland on any serious level, there may have been some rumours based purely on Lech Wałęsa once asking publicly whether Jaro "miał żonę czy męża" or something along these lines which was definitely in bad taste, something like an army-style joke which made all the soldiers laughing, but kept all other "normal" people deadly silent. I think this is all there is to it.

I think that's more likely to be something you need to do, as I can speak and read Polish fluently thank you.

The same thank you. You would perhaps enjoy keeping your finger on the political pulse here - a wider spread of reading about politicians would do you good.. Actually speaking to people in real life and spending time with people in political and public life would be even better.

You would find out that there's sooo much political talk that is enjoyed in real life before outsiders ever get an inkling.

It's all very well to say that Jon, but when you say 'wider spread,' what you really mean is, talk to more people who don't like Kaczynski and PiS. Believe me I know plenty of those.

Just because you live in Poland and talk to Polish people there, doesn't mean you unferstand the general mood of the country better than me. I mean how many people do you know/have you conversed with? 10? 20? One hundred? Perhaps a few hundred? How many millions live in the Poland? Or are you now going to tell me that you travel around the country to talk to people from all over about politics?

The best way to measure the mood of a nation is to see how they vote in elections, and in the last one, both Andrzej Duda and PiS were chosen by the majority of the country.

Wider spread means precisely that. It isn't only about random bods and their opinions.


Remember that some of us here have lived in Poland longer than you have been alive. And move in circles that you wouldn't really describe as 'general public'. Poland isn't exactly like your country the UK - and even there not everything hits the media - much of the good stuff doesn't. If you want a list of people (including politicians of all main parties) who are discreet about their sexuality, you won't get one either here or there. Even in the world of entertainment or sport, someone who would be having a celebrity wedding back in the UK might well take very great care to stay out of the press here.

The most I would repeat (or anyone should repeat) are things already in the public domain - don't make the mistake of breaking a very good and useful rule in life, namely, not assuming that the people you're talking to is a stranger to the people you're talking about.


Far more of the electorate didn't vote for them than did. By the way, you may like to have a look at the latest poll figures.

Oh Jon, you make another statement not knowing anything about me.

You say you've lived in Poland more time that I've been alive. I wonder. You must have moved there very early in life. Either that or you're quite old.

By the way Jon, you keep calling the UK my country. Remind me, did you ever finally tell us where you are from originally or do you still prefer to dodge that question?

By the way I check the poll figures a lot. It seems PiS is still ahead, despite leftist media pretending the country has turned against them.

Bingo.


Not recently. PO are ahread now. The combined opposition are well ahead. To keep things on topic, there are a few closeted politicians in the other parties too, though not nearly as many as in PiS.


You mean real newspapers.

Yes WP. Real newspapers rather than just websites.

So you say newspapers can be trusted more than websites - any particular reason for this?

It's like saying the news on television is more credible than news you find online. If people felt that way they would just eat up everything presented to them on TV - without thinking. I mean, surely you trust various internet sources over TVP right now right?