Beggars cannot be choosers. Poland is much better off in the EU as it requires inwards investment so it has to take the bad with the good, accepting it cannot force the agenda. The UK can bat for itself and can choose to go alone officially, although it will remain integrated in europe whether brexit or no brexit.
I heard they are building an EU synagoge in Germany, it is really something, we will have something in EU to pray to at least, why are you so negative about it all? I, for one, am happy about it. I really pity you, you must be a miserable person, a lonely one at that. Embrace EU like many Polish have (with the help of others), otherwise you are indeed left with monster. Your sarcasm does not impress me.
However the positives far, far outweigh the negatives.
Exactomondo.
PS: There was a chap in the UK who bet hundreds of thousands on the Scottish referundum, some of it as generous as 4-6, believe it or not. He made an absolute fortune from the bookies.
The same story here, as the ridiculous scenario of the UK leaving the Union (as with Scotland leaving the UK) is a big fat zero. The majority have some education and brains after all.
The Tories would have turned Britain back into some Dicksionian nightmare land years ago if allowed to run riot without EU legislation - good old Edward Heath understood the importance of a Social Charter, and realised the importance of a fair society, without some of Harold Wilson's barking policies.
What EU succession would do for Poles I don't know - they would find Britain a less appealing place than it is right now anyway, with the lunatics ruling the asylum.
PS: There was a chap in the UK who bet hundreds of thousands on the Scottish referundum, some of it as generous as 4-6, believe it or not.
He was a brave man, because the campaign for Yes was really picking up steam towards the end. But still, the bookies never changed their mind - and they got it right.
Even with Johnson on the Leave side, the bookies still have Remain at 2/5. I'm also pretty certain that Johnson has no intention of getting involved with Farage and other clowns on the Leave side, so the smart money is on the UK staying.
Of course we will stay, only an idiot would believe other wise. JP Morgan, Morgan Stanley blah blah aren't going to invest money in some serious propaganda so we stay for nothing !.
It doesn't matter because I believe its ending anyway. On the day after the referendum Cameron will come out of No10 and go down in history waving his patriotic EU flag, praising the federation and the queen of Europe, Merkel.
But,
Soon a lot more migrants are going to come, Germany has its GE in the near future so changes are a foot !!. TTIP will be interesting too.
I will be voting leave along with many others. But like I say, we won't leave, it would be all to easy if we did.
But the end is coming and the sooner the better !!.
Ladbrokes took 20 grand today at 15/8, biggest bet on brexit so far they say. As for the Scotish vote, there was an important reason why the polls suggested a marginal win for leaving the UK, while the actual result was otherwise. Not going to go into details and dopeoples job for them but it will affect current polls and the brexit vote in the same way, but the swing/error will favour the exit camp. Stay camp need to be leading 55/45 before the vote to avoid defeat in the actual vote.
Annoying that the referendum's going to be during Glastonbury weekend meaning 100,000 young people busy and also right in the middle of the holiday season.
As for the Scotish vote, there was an important reason why the polls suggested a marginal win for leaving the UK, while the actual result was otherwise.
That was only two polls out of the whole lot. If the referendum had been 2 weeks later, Yes might have won it as the momentum was building, but alas...too little, too late.
but the swing/error will favour the exit camp.
The bookies think strongly otherwise, and I'd like to think that they have some very bright minds setting these odds.
Furthermore, Johnson doesn't appear to want a fight with Cameron over it, which means that the Leave campaign will be headed by Farage and Galloway types - neither of whom are appealing to a majority of voters.
Collapse in sterling tells its own story - bookies amongst others will be hedging their exposure through sterling. Todays letter in the FT from almost 200 large corps supporting stay contained some notable omissions. Threatening people with job losses is going to be the stay camps best way to attract votes, as its a huge consideration for most, but it could be an outsider such as ISIS or another leg of the immigrant crisis in europe that swings the vote, as its immigration that has driven most to the brexit side. The stay camp will be hoping for a quiet spring/summer and hoping people behave themselves.
You obviously live on another planet if you think Poland contributes 'billions'.
I was going to say parallel universe. Quite interesting thinking and he spends so much time delivering this rubbish.
The Court of Human rights ensure localised prejudice, racism and downright judicial stupidity is prevented throughout the bloc.
We will exclude Poland from that then given recent events and misuse of the EAW.
Brexit is foolish and short sighted, but the UK has far more clout and power in the EU than Poland will ever have under this current government.
Of course the UK has more clout than PL in the EU as its a contributor. As for Brexit being shortsighted, I think not. Even with a get out clause on Euro bail outs, the UK still had to stump up for Greece. How much will Portugal, Italy and France cost and can Mario print the Euros fast enough. I doubt it. Those at the top are all looking a little weary now. Its at tipping point and can only end very badly. The nationalists are on the rise. Poland is prodding the bear. A wave of displaced persons sweeping across Europe. Good luck with all that.
Took over europe and not a life lost, well for a while at least until the crisis which wasnt sourced in house. Its marketing at its greatest. Convincing nations they needed the euro. I was once told all geniuses end up salesmen. I laughed it off. Well maybe I was mistaken.
Revealed: Two thirds of British voters are Eurosceptics - but they aren't convinced we should leave It's not enough to distrust the EU: most people will only vote for Brexit if they also believe it's good for the economy
"Revealed: UK's most respected pollster finds that two thirds of Britons are Eurosceptic"
In short, scepticism about the EU is far more widespread than is the inclination to leave.
This is because voters are only likely to back leaving if a concern about issues such as identity, sovereignty and immigration - that is, the concern on which above all scepticism feeds - is coupled with the much
less popular belief that Britain's economy would be better off if it left the EU.
Yesterdays Yougov for the Times (UK), 38% leave 37% stay 25% undecided. Taken after Camerons EU deal but before Boris' commitment to leave camp.
In addition:
A second poll, ComRes, indicated 51% to stay 39% to leave, 10% undecided. This was a phone poll while the Yougov was internet based. If this was a picture it would tell a thousand words.
Its actually one that the money markets attach a fair amount of weight to. In any case, its too close to call so people are taking precautionary action.
People in the uk are worried about their holiday money, some are predicting a 15% drop in the value of sterling, to many in the UK a week in Magaluf is all they have to look forward to.
I Agree delph , but hang on i'm not allowed to because some one will jump in and accuse me or you of something, but seriously this is exactly how some people think.
me me me.
I think the UK should stay in , I cant see any politicians from any party in the UK able to move the country forward if it was independent. they have lost the knowledge.
I think the UK should stay in , I cant see any politicians from any party in the UK able to move the country forward if it was independent. they have lost the knowledge.
It does rather look like the opinion polls are showing that people want to stay in, but on the outside of it all.
Not a bad place to be, all things considered - you get to sit back and observe how things develop, and if it suits, you join in.
The city will move us forward, they are the ones in control anyway. Like it or loathe it, it provides a great investment environment. Thats why Londons a draw and will continue to be. Its no coincidence that the current mayor Boris and likely future mayor Zac Goldsmith are both for the brexit.
" you get to sit back and observe how things develop" no sit back for me if my UK sterling is worth 15% less on Brexit, god forbid I might have to return to the UK.
Dolny dont worry about sterling, you are right polinvestor, i have been through many of these scaremongering situations, bit like they suggest you invest in gold when it is high, only to watch it drop when things calm down.
Its not just about sterling, is it? a fall in the pound means a rise in inflation. Tell everyone, "you are going to get a 20% pay cut" and they will get the message.
Inflation is the holy grail. Something all central bankers want, but none have achieved for tennyears now. And the uk will get it for free! Government and corp wages are usually linked in some way to cpi while lower sterling will encourage investment here over europe as the foreign entity gets more for its buck. That said sterling will just be short term phenomenon, but something to take advantage of and monetise all the same.
A drop in the sterling is good. Many in the City will make money from it, buying cheap selling high, they don't care. The pound will rise in a few days and they will all cream it in.
Both Boris and Zak Goldsmith are for Brexit, current London Mayor and soon to be London Mayor. I did a poll this morning on the Evening Standard and it came out at 57% leave which is nice.
The only countries that would be hit really hard by an end of the EU would be Germany and the Netherlands. Both more or less completely depend on the EU and the euro, and their economies will most probably collapse without it. Although I see this as a more or less inevitable outcome, as one of the southern countries (probably Italy or Spain) will at some point decide that they have enough of being bled dry.
@pew: check what countries pay the most and yoI'll see that the Netherlands are "well behind" big European countries
@Pweeg: get facts right ;) Germany: 19.90%, France: 17.76%, Italy: 13.57%, GB: 10.70%, The Netherlands: 3.78% (Poland: 3.07%) and some others: Ireland: 1.27% etc etc ..; so how the h... can the Netherlands pay the most money to Poland when contributing so litle to the EU's budget????? These are the figures for periods 2007-2013 but I doubt that the situation has changed a lot within the past 2 years ;)
