British teacher stabbed in Poland

From these weird posts, I think any lack of understanding is very much on your part. A Christmas celebration among colleagues does not provoke a third party to stab someone to death.

What part of that don't you understand?

Kevin writes few posts with great economy of words.

But he's spot on.

There isn't a great deal to discuss here.

Anything beyond what has been written in the newspaper reports is just speculation.

It's a shame one person has been killed and another seriously injured.

Ostobramska do not really (or didn't) class as a bad neighbourhood but there are plenty of blocks of flats, so ...


I mean that they do not call you people from your region scyzorki for nothing.

I've read the article and all it says is "stabbed at a Christmas party".


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Well, it doesn't say anything about "a work Christmas party". All it says is "a flat party" (in the Yorkshire Evening Post).

Polish articles were published on the 16th so the attack probably took place on the 15th or earlier.
Also, the Polish articles don't even say anything about "a party". They only say about 5 men drinking and being loud on a staircase.

At first, when I read about that "Christmas party" in the Yorkshire Evening Post I thought it's some kind of a British tradition (is it?). That's why I got curious about the dates.


Well, they call people from Kraków "centusie", and? lol
Liroy popularised this name with his rap song in the 90's :)
But, as I wrote, it's not the 90's anymore, sorry :))

Exactly.

Nothing about any provocation to be murdered.


Seasonal parties aren't only the night before Christmas. And it does specifically mention colleagues.

Btw, we don't know that those Polish articles even refer to the same crime. Oś. Ostrobramska is not exactly free from violent crime.

Um... I'm not writing about any provocation o_O


Jon357, I am not aware of anything called "seasonal parties" in Poland. If someone is throwing a party on, let's say, the 15th of December, then it's just a party, not a "Christmas party" or a "seasonal party". Christmas time in Poland is from 24 to 26 of December and that's it.


True, but if they do, then I think calling it a "Christmas party" is probably a bit too much ;)

Life rarely checks the dictionary. Somebody about to burst into a flat and kill someone might, but it would be a first.


Perhaps in your experience. I've been to a seasonal party before then. A work one, for Christmas. In Poland.

And you are wrong again, hehe . The written law is based on the meaning given in the dictionaries
You are surprising me very much

Well, of course I've attended a company's Christmas supper before, but it can't be really called a party, it's more like a Christmas Eve supper and it doesn't take place at someone's flat, but is organised by the company in some hotel and usually not in the middle of December.

Was your seasonal party organised at someone's flat? I'm curious who organised it - Poles or the British/Americans?

And what's the difference between a seasonal party and an ordinary party? Don't hit me, I'm curious ;)

(And don't worry, jon357, I'm not trying to justify the attack or sth :))


Noone will interpret it in the way that being loud was somehow a provocation and that it somehow justified the attack with the use of knives.

Dou you know who was the first to use the knives ?

@Paulina, I don't recall ever seeing a work Christmas supper. Hang on! Once, in mid December organised by a British company. I've been to company parties for the holidays from early December onwards, organised by a Polish company. Over the years in private homes and in hired restaurants. If it was a language school, earlier rather than later is a strong possibility with people being at home in their own country as soon as they can get away after the last lessons before Christmas.

A seasonal party? For Christmas!

Unfortunately this one seems to have been in a very wrong place.

Looking again at the YEP article and those Polish ones, I really do think they could be about different incidents.

Only one glimmer of hope in all this - the stabbed teacher is still alive, which is a good sign. Sad though about the person who died. Sad for the families of those arrested too.

Funny that the title of the topic says 'British teacher stabbed in Poland,' as if he might have been stabbed because he was British [it doesn't say it, but it suggests it, like saying 'black woman stabbed in Poland']. In the text it talks about a Polish friend of his dying after being stabbed, so it had nothing to do with nationality.

I don't know why you think there's anything funny about it. If it had happened in Thailand, France, Alaska they would have said so too.

Being away from home adds extra poignancy from the headline writer's point of view. Do you think they should have pretended it wasn't in Poland?

*sigh*

No, I don't.
My guess is that those who were stabbed weren't even carrying knives in the first place.
But it will be arbitrated by the court that will probably know more than we do, so don't worry.


So you're not wearing Santa Claus hats or sth? :) ;)


I think it's quite possible they are about the same incident.
If they weren't then there would be articles about the one described in the YEP too.
Are there?


I think you're reading too much into it. It's an expat forum, it's natural they're interested in what happens to their own people.

I might be reading a bit too much in to it, it's true, but given some of the anti Polishness from some of these expats, I saw the title expecting it to try and show us that savage Polish people had attacked a poor civil British man, because he was a foreigner [or because he was British].

And these flat parties are not so innocent as they may seem
I heared that in Sweden they have to get the permission from all the neighbours two weeks before the party. And it shows that they probably had more than enough of such cases


Yes, right, I think this is all biased

Well, I understand, but it doesn't seem to be the case (or at least I hope it wasn't).

I guess you could also probably guess that they had some at the flat

Why? The YEP is a provincial newspaper in the UK. It doesn't routinely cover crime stories from the suburbs of foreign cities.


Now that's just silliness. You haven't a clue what this mid-evening Christmas party attended by middle aged teachers was like.


Biased how? By mentioning where the crime took place?


The colour doesn't suit.

And looking again at the two different articles (shorthairthug posting links to several probably didn't notice or want to notice that they were all from the same press release!) it looks like two very different events.

Just to clarify: I mean I don't think it was jon357's intention.


Jon357, I meant Polish newspapers :)) There would be articles in Polish media about a second attack if those were two different incidents.


lol OK ;)


Not really, jon357...

Yes really it is ... haha .... permission two weeks before the party. How funny... Ask those Sweeds about
it


Ihave already mentioned that the word unprovoked is redundant
(WE DO NOT KNOW WHO WAS THE FIRST TO USE THE KNIVES . IT IS SO SIMPLE, FUNNY TOO)

Not in PL. There the rules are different.


Your mentioning it does not make it accurate.


We do however know who has been arrested.

It does seem the UK and Polish news are about the same incident. I would be more inclined to believe the Polish news on this one, having said that it does not give people the right to make derogatory comments about a person who is in critical condition in hospital because of their nationality.

The problem is that neither is exhaustive. One seeme to be an interview with one of the victims' brother and the other ones are just the same press statement.

The courts in Poland move very slowly indeed so there may not be anything else for a while.

But you do not know that a completed investigation is required and a trial too in such cases ... right ?

^ As you have already been told, if the men who have been arrested have been arrested without there being reasonable suspicion that they committed the crimes for which they have been arrested, they can sue the police for wrongful arrest.

I know, Harry, you are right , thanks, but for jon357 the fact of being arrested is enough to make accusations as it follows from :


When one person makes an accusation, check to be sure he himself is not the guilty one.

(Joke HAHAHAHA )

Well the good news is that he seems to be coming around...

nice. i rejoice because of him

See, after all, its good that it was him. If it happened to somebody else, outcome maybe wouldn`t be that positive.

What are you talking about?