How will BREXIT affect the immigrants in UK and Poland.

i just cant understand that woman..shes so twisted and its something wrong with her,i dunno what it is...i liked Cameron,and i do like that Scottish sturgeon girl

but her i cannot stand.shes so manipulative and twisted

she doesnt quite seem human does she?

Torries losing massive support cus of her.even Corbyn has more support as leader in todays pool.
shes destroying all support ,that Cameron build for Torries.if they dont remove her,Torries will lose support rapidly..
its something fake about her.she reminds me of H Clinton some way

yes there is something of Hillary in her...something reptilian..and the events of the last week have really shown that.

The Maybot. She just comes across as thoroughly unpleasant and has done for years. Corbyn, not my favourite politician by a long chalk does however come across as an extremely nice person. As for Tim Farron, although he was anti-Brexsh1t, he just seemed like a wet lettuce.

You may have a good point there.

I remember reading somewhere that most immigrants to the UK are technically illegal as they require some form of travel insurance.

Having said that, I think we need to accept the spirit of the pledge that May made. I doubt Poles or other EU immigrants will be sent back

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This is what led to Brexit

Yes I'm sorry to the many polite respectful Poles who come to live here, but a very visible number have shot themselves in the foot being so rude, obnoxious and ungrateful that the UK had to take drastic action. Don't get me wrong about Brits being yobs in Majorca or whether - embarrassing and rightly condemned by other British people, but they never blew the door off the hinges and then pretended nothing was wrong.

There seems to be a particular kind of person attracted to the UK and particularly London - materialistic, narcissistic, aggressive obsessed with NIKE and Adidas and Hip hop music in short this new godless consumer lifestyle of globalisation. Sadly they come in their droves not for any honest reason to contribute and be a valued citizen, but to live this devil lifestyle of air travel, shopping and showing off living this sad shallow and superficial dream. It is an illusion though and after the initial buzz is over they realise it is a nightmare - where people are lonely, forever wanting, forever not good enough with only shallow loveless relationships for comfort.

I see the glimmer in the eyes of new arrivals, with their brash hubris and swagger and I see how they've been fooled into thinking London, the big city is where the partys at, I wish I could warn them but they are too busy shopping for sportswear. Sad

They probably aren't fooled at all, after all, its Londonistan where the PC culture dominates your society.


Do you mean like these religion of peace protesters???

youtube.com/watch?v=VI-Ycabt34k

You have bigger problems than some Polish kids misbehaving.


You nailed this one! Hasn't most of Europe turned into a nightmare over the past 20 years?

But Londoners voted strongly to remain.

What led to Brexit was idiot politicians and poorly educated voters mostly in the North and rural parts of England.

A quick google search proves your theory wrong.

ons.gov.uk/ons/dcp171776_337939.pdf

81.5 per cent (45.7 million) of the usually resident population of England and Wales lived in urban areas and 18.5 per cent (10.3 million) lived in rural areas.

You really don't have much rural area that you think you do on an overcrowded Island

Unless something changed since 2011 most people still live in urban areas?

? Even by your standards it's a bizarre comment

It is not my theory - it is facts.

Brexit vote was strongest in the North and in rural areas. Of the 15 biggest urban areas then only 3 voted Brexit - Sheffield, Birmingham and Nottingham.

what pains me more then Brexit is Scottish referendum. Scots are right to demand new one, more democratic.

No, you're the one who is wrong. Voting for Brexit was strongly related to the level of education, and was also strongly related to age and where they lived.

People were more likely to vote Brexit if they were older, had a pooer education, and lived in a rural/small town area of England outside of the metropolises of London, Leeds, Manchester and the elite university towns of Oxford, Cambridge and Bristol. Here are the stats:

bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38762034

About 89% of Britain is rural.

Casual, I'm afraid you are wasting your time trying to put forward facts. For many people on here the truth is whatever they prefer it to be. It makes life so much simpler for them. You probably remember Farage being asked if he'd accept a 52-48% vote in favour of remaining. He said no. You probably also remember election night, when kippers were howling about a rigged ballot, just like trump and his chimps did.

And... ?

And that was a stupid decision that they are now begging for more time to implement, is already costing them more and has greatly damaged Britain's place in the world.

And...so Joker was completely wrong to claim otherwise in post #730. S/he was about as wrong could get.

And...it also means that, as things stand, the vote would be reversed in about 5 years because older (Brexit) people tend die at a faster rate than younger (Remain) people.

Your interpretation of these statistics is incorrect. Many of the young snowflakes with clown degrees (a.k.a. young and educated urban voters) will get wiser as they start growing up.

What is wise about Brexit ? Can you name any group in society that is better off as a result ? It is already costing average families more than 10x the annual cost of the UKs contribution.

Not incorrect, but then neither is yours - young people often do get more conservative as they grow older. We will have to wait and see. But the statement that the Brexit vote can be attributed to poorly-educated, older voters in the sticks and backwaters is factually correct.

Well then maybe they'll learn something if the results aren't good for them. Or maybe only people up to your standards should be allowed to vote?

The Remain campaign was worse than pathetic relying mostly on purely economic arguments in an era that has clearly shown that economists are not to be trusted with public policy.

Name three non-economic reasons that the UK is better off in the EU.

Oh just put a sock on it. Blame it on some misbehaving individuals. What a BS! If anything people had enough of immigration, mass immigration and Poles were convenient scapegoats, white, Christian, European. Various people can have a go at them without being called racist or without a feeling that somehow having issues with immigration or immigrants means that they are not progressive, liberal minded, virtue signaling young buckos as they have thought.

Even British government used Poles to winking to the people saying we are with you, we feel your pain and singed Poles and Eastern Europeans out as the sole problem precisely for the very reason that Poles are not a problem and are integrating very well.

Also they used the EU as an excuse believing that majority of the populace has a firmly pro-EU stance.
At the same time playing the game - oh we cannot control influx of immigrants because the EU regulation won't let us. Which is clearly a lie. Britain is not a part of the Schengen agreement, there are provision in the EU law that allows to deport people from EU who commit petty crimes or are not working.

While at the same time tiptoeing around Pakistani or other Muslim immigration, or immigration from outside the EU, which is all time bigger than from the EU countries.

The point is that British ruling class as a whole is/was on board with immigration and in favour of immigration while most of the people is/was not. All that big dance around it stem from the fact that there was no real debate about immigration. British ruling class has done absolutely unholy mess out of it. Hoping that PC and the liberal mass media will carry them over the line once more as the plebe is too stupid, too lazy, ignorant and unruly to really understand what is what. Even worse they might have no rational arguments at all.

Also plenty of progressivists who are reluctant to talk about immigration other than in superlatives because that marks them in their own circles as racists, a right wing extremist. Those are to be shun and marginalized . They could only open and vent against Europeans which really are used by them as a substitute for mass immigration.

Does not reopen the Scottish independence question
Does not reopen the Irish question
Does not reopen the Gibraltar question
And hundreds of areas of scientific and academic and security cooperation

Took literally 30 seconds

The first three are negative arguments "if we don't do X then Y might not happen", if you expect to win a referendum you need to phrase them positively.

Thanks to the EU we are at peace in Northern Ireland, Scotland is still a proud constituent/member/part of the UK and Gibraltar remains under British control!

But then that makes British people look like losers who need fairy godmothers from Brussels to keep them from harming themselves or others.

Most of the time most voters (regardless of education level) vote according to their identity (real or perceived or aspirational). Leave was able to appeal to an independent sovreign identity. Remain appealed to an economic and/or helpless identity.

Personally I don't care if the UK is in the EU or not, but those that do care should have done a better job of thinking through winning arguments and should let events take their course now. The best way to convince a child that fire is dangerous is to let them singe their finger a time or two.

I've just proved that your tactic is worthless. Each time elections/referendum end up with results that you "liberal democrats" find to be "incorrect" (be it brexit, Trump, PiS or anything else), you start the hate campaign against the people voting for the other side, like here:


hoping to change the tide convincing low info/undecided voters - "If the smarter ones voted against brexit, perhaps they are right and I should belong to that "better" group". Which next to being pathetic (especially for folks that are so uber democratic, fight the social exclusion and what's not) is simply ridiculous as those "old, poorly educated, living in the backwaters" are often small business owners and people with rich experience while "the young and better educated" tend to be corpo clerks with degrees bought by their "poorly educated" parents, who would end up on benefits once the corpo decides to outsource their jobs to a cheaper place.

Black PR, hate speech, manipulation, that's what "liberal democrats" are all about.

I have to agree with all of Ironside's last post. Spot on !

Or even the better one: thanks to the EU there are no wars in Europe anymore - which next to being incorrect, assume that once the parasites in Belgium disappears, Gerries would suddenly jump into their grandpas funny uniforms and move to take the Suddetenland.

But small business owners voted strongly in favor of remain - by 60% + according to most opinion polls.

You are right though - stupid people don't like being told they have made a stupid decision.

Can we bring back Polonius ? He was a bit more switched on

^ just 1 more stupid post proving my point. In Poland the lowest support for PiS has been traditionally in prisons and mental hospitals. Still no one is using this in the hate campaign against the other side. While you dicks will call millions of people rednecks because the share of people voting "incorrectly" was 1 % point higher in small towns than in the cities. Go figure.

What on earth does some probably anecdotal figure about PiS voters in mental hospitals prove when compared to fully evidenced statistics from voting disctricts in the U.K. in a one question referendum ?

I don't even think prisoners and mental patients can vote in the Uk. Certainly they didn't used to be able - I'm not sure and I can't be bothered to google it.