But do bear in mind that the UK also has a terrible problem with people thinking that they're too good for certain jobs
You've got that right.
The real kicker though is that this school of thought is popular NOT amongst people who have a history of employment and believe they are worth more than certain jobs but from people who have never worked and would prefer to claim benefits instead.
I know I bang on about how muslim families are culturally wired to claim benefits here in the UK but I also have to be balanced and admit that English families are just as bad.
How do you know that excalty, were you one of them or is it you mix with those like that or are you just presuming after your daily read, of the Guardian ?
You make a lot of presumptions don't you ? There was no substance to the Leave campaign so they focused on a few touch points that they knew the public were sensitive to (Trump became President of the USA using the same tactic).
Trump, Farage and the rest of the bloody Brexiteers are/were guilty of little more than sheer PANDERING to the basest fears of the masses, it's that simple:-)
Well the bloody Remainers were/are guilty of little more than completely IGNORING legitimate concerns of the voters, it's that simple :-o
Yes and both points are correct.
I personally blame David Cameron as we should never have been given a referendum in the first place. It was entirely voluntary. Ok-he had some pressure from within the Tory party but it there was no pressing need and with Corbyn as the only feasible alternative to Tory rule then Cameron could have gone on leading the country for years to come.
Instead the people were asked to buy a cat in a bag.
Ok-he had some pressure from within the Tory party but it there was no pressing need
Well, the logic was quite sound - give them the referendum they wanted, crush the Leave campaign and take the wind out of UKIP and the Tory Eurosceptics for a generation. I don't think he quite realised just how badly Corbyn would fail to motivate Labour supporters into supporting Remain, and the results from Labour heartlands speak for themselves.
Cameron really should have learnt something from the Scottish referendum that the option that was nowhere at the beginning could easily make up ground over the course of a campaign.
give them the referendum they wanted, crush the Leave campaign and take the wind out of UKIP and the Tory Eurosceptics for a generation
for that you have to have lots of arguments that resonate with voters and not just a bunch of economic numbers that many to most people suspect is all about supporting the one per cent.
unlike the supremely rational irish (hi atch!) most voters in most places and most times vote according to their aspirational identity (the candidate or option that best reflects who they think they are or who they want to be)
remain didn't have a lot to work with in that regard...
for countries like Spain or Poland (or Turkey till it went off the Erdogan rails) joining the EU was more like collective recognition and prestige for the country which is why most wanted to join, on the other hand "show you're a Eruopean!" according to my understanding doesn't do much to motivate English voters...
I ask again, what kind of resonating emotional arguments could Remain have used to fire people up to want to remain in the EU?
- Brits would be richer - they would hav more opportunities - their kids would have more opportunities - The EU makes Europe safer - it helps provide a solution to the Irish problem
Whether those resonated with a bunch of morons, pensioners and bigots is questionable - they made their decision and they can get on with it.
It is though more a matter of England's historic disdain for the Irish than vice versa, I'd expect.
Anyhow, Ireland voted to opt out, whereas curiously enough, Scotland voted "Nay", although now Ms. Salmon & Co. wish to pursue a sort of "Scotxit", eh? With Sean Connery leading the pack, no less! Where does he find the timeLOL
- it helps provide a solution to the Irish problem
There was apparently a degree of support for Brexit among the DUP supporters for exactly that reason - it would put distance between Belfast and Dublin.
- Brits would be richer - they would hav more opportunities - their kids would have more opportunities - The EU makes Europe safer - it helps provide a solution to the Irish problem
The first three sound like "let's support the City! Let's support the one per cent! The fourth implies its the UK's duty someone to watch over squabbling continentals The fourth makes no sense and actually backfires, it suggests that the problem of contentious boundaries is best solved by absorption into a larger politic where it doesn't matter where borders are (the Catalonian question - the idea of the EU actually strengthens the independistes)
Now they have to live with the consequences of their gullibility
I think it was more important to Remainers to be "right" than to win....
All nonsense - how can telling the population they will be richer benefit the 1 percent ? As to peace well it is fairly noticeable that Europe has enjoyed its longest period of peace since the EU began. The world wars were not continental squabbles - Britain was fully involved in the build up to both of them.
Crowing about winning just shows the idiocy of the leave case - it is not a Football game or an argument on the internet - so you need to start to deliver on those promises - access to the single market is impossible, extra money for the welfare state is no longer possible and the govt will not commit to Lowe immigration. Meanwhile the negative consequences are already starting - Scotland asking for another referendum, growing issues in Northern Ireland, collapse of the pound and even stupid old disputes like Gibraltar starting
Scotland has had a referendum without ANY EU vote already, Spain was with it with Gibraltar in 2013. Pound had collapsed, can you show me where you saw that !.
Probably would of make more sense to quote his whole article - which stated that as other economies grow then the EU countries who led have more influence and economic leverage if they worked together.
It is hardly a loony view
Blair has never been my cup of tea but a 3 times elected PM with 13 years running the country, he is far more qualified than Boris, Gove, Farage or any of the other rabble who have now all conveniently disappeared without implementing their vision.
Crowing about winning just shows the idiocy of the leave case
I'm not crowing, i'm not British and have no special dog in the fight. I'm hoping that the result will shake up the EU so it can be saved before the whole thing crumbles, which it might if those in decision making positions don't start making different decisions.
The ideal result (if I had my druthers) would be a halt or at least a massive slowdown of the integration-uber-alles agenda and that the leave process can be abandoned before being finalized. If the EU doesn't change though then, well..... the UK might well be glad it got out when it did.
Yes, and Blair went on to be one of the most hated ex PM's this country has ever known. At least Margret Thatcher wrote to ever person killed in the Falklands relative. Blair couldn't care less about me you or them, the man is an animal who seeks Juncker's job and that is all.
The EU is crap and it needs to go, thank god the UK is leaving. I'm.so pleased.
Reminds me though of the TV skit when once fella says to the other, "When you were in the hospital after gettin' hit with that fly ball, who came to see ya every day, who brought ya flowers, who watered your plants, who notified your family, huh??!", to which the man's buddy aptly replies, "And who hit me in the head with a fly ball??!"
Tit for tat, Tic! Sure, Thatcher wrote to every family who lost a son, but who was it who put them in harms way to begin with??!
See,... that BUT is gonna be very expensive for you Brits. BUT Blair was main British hawk for UK`s taking part in destruction of Yugoslavia and Serbia. You Brits wanted to f*** Slavs and now y`ll get sex. Plenty of it. EUxit, Turxsit, NATOxit, Sexit, all part of it. Brexit part of it. You now gets that many sex that you don`t know from where that coming. From a foe or from a friend fiend. God punished you with EU and then with Brexit.
What makes me happy, especially, Britain is now disgusting to Poles, too. I told here on this forum... long time ago had clear vision,.... ask brat Admin.... Poles won`t forgive you collaboration with Islamic league against Polish interests. No. No more fairy tales. Disgusting Brits are. Very.
You Brits played on Russian-Polish antagonism? Wrong. Idiots. What that antagonism have with Polish-Serbian business. Old wealth flow must be reestablished. Order, where was disorder.
