How will BREXIT affect the immigrants in UK and Poland.

Quite. She became Home Secretary on a platform of reducing annual immigration however in fact it increased considerably during her term of office. The only group of people she managed to deport were students which somehow misses the point of what she promised to do.

I think Ireland has to choose which is more important - uncontrolled travel with the UK or Schengen since it can't have both.

The Common Travel Area is more important to Irish people. We've done without Schengen all these years but the CTA means more than uncontrolled travel. It's the unrestricted recipocral right for Irish and British citizens to live in each other's countries. Irish people have a special status in the UK which is important to us because of our many ties with the UK and the number of families who have close relatives in both. Also it's imperative that we keep an open border with Northern Ireland.

Just to further clarify Ireland's Brexit stand, the Irish minister for European Affairs, Dara Murphy has stated that the Common Travel Area must be respected and that Ireland is not giving consideration to joining the Schengen agreement. The Director General of the British-Irish chamber of commerce has said that:

'there is limited sensitivity in Europe to the detail of the special relationship between Ireland and the UK, including Northern Ireland and the border.'

and that a bad deal for the UK means a bad deal for Ireland so it's :

'important that Ireland's story, special circumstances and exposure to trade and other links with Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK is "very clearly understood" during the negotiations around the UK's exit from the EU.'

Being extremely wealthy is not a vice if the wealth was honestly acquired and is shared with those less fortunate. A very wealthy lawmaker or other politician is less likely to dip in the till and is praiseworthy if he/she promtoes a more even playing field and more equitable distribution of wealth.

And so it begins:

belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/italy-in-call-over-irish-border-following-brexit-vote-34877946.html

The Italian Minister for something-or-other was in Dublin a few days ago, the first visit by an Italian in donkey's years and lo and behold Italy is on the Irish side in negotiations! The entertainment budget will be taking a severe battering over the coming months. I'll suppose we'll start with the nations that have a good few Catholics in them or reason to dislike the French or Germans.

'Dublin's foreign affairs minister Charlie Flanagan said he very much appreciated Italy's understanding of "our unique position on the island of Ireland" which he said must be "fully considered by EU colleagues" in the forthcoming negotiations'.

Actually we really need to get Poland on our side in this one. But unfortunately despite all the lip service given to Polish/Irish connections there is very little real friendship between the two governments.

i dont know what Poland would do to help..my understanding of this is that The Common Travel Area between UK and Ireland will not be preserved in event of UK leaving EU. it wouldnt make any sense to keep it.all this referendum was about taking control over UK borders.what would be the point leaving this border open? anyone from EU, who wishes would travel to Ireland and then cross into Britain.

What I mean Gregy is that the deal struck between the UK and the EU will have to be agreed by all EU members states. As Dara Murphy, the Irish minister for European affairs said, 'a bad deal for the UK means a bad deal for Ireland' so Ireland needs to get other members on board, in supporting a generous deal for the UK during negotiations. That would include the continuation of the CTA. Don't know if that makes it a bit clearer.

As to travelling from Ireland to Britain, the reality is that you certainly can't fly without producing a valid travel document and even the ferries have checks, so I don't see how it would be an issue. The CTA refers to repciprocal rights between Irish and British citizens.

Given that she's done everything she can to further impoverish the poor, 'vice' is an appropriate word.

Neither do I. If the EU decides to "teach the UK a lesson", Ireland will have no means to interrupt such a lesson. It is just too small for that. Didn't Atch say they were denying the mere existence of Ireland in Paris once, so Atch's sister went home to bring a map to show them that Ireland isn't an imaginary thing?

In fairness Ziem, it wasn't in Paris, it was in north east France, but yes, they thought that the whole of Ireland was part of the UK.


That's why we'll have to bring all our powers of persuasion to bear. Our problem is that although we're quite active EU members, we're 'best friends' with the UK and we haven't really bothered to cosy up to the other states.

Do you know that when the Polish minister for something visited Ireland last year, that was the first such occasion in nine years - and with the huge Polish community in Ireland, that's just not good enough. Ditto this visit by the Italians, first in twenty years. Over half our beef exports go to the UK, where's the Irish beef in Polish supermarkets? Or Irish lamb? Why don't we see some of the huge range of Polish beers sold in Irish supermarkets? (I mean they're not currently being sold, why not?)As a nation, we're not big vodka drinkers but we love a pint, why not a Polish pint? Very lame behaviour on behalf of both Irish and Polish governments in that respect.

Au contraire, mon petit ami. One might easily imagine she's applying for membership of the good-change party PiS. Does this sound like a Thatcherite speaking?:

"Our government will not be guided by the interests of handful of privileged individuals. If someone is born poor, they will live 9 years shorter than the rest. If they attend a public (probably meaning state) school, they are less likely to obtain a higher education than those privately educated..."

Commentators have remarked she sounds like the Labour Party or Bernie Sanders.


A good leader must be guided first and foremost by his/her own nation's best interests.

You mean the 'bad change' party. And like any other right-wing politician, not one single word she says can ever be trusted.


She isn't a good leader, and so far has acted only in the interests of her career...

No, he means the "good change" PiS party. The bad change party is the Conservative Party of the UK which called the Brexit referendum and thus brought about the bad change to the UK and the EU.

Biedronka. Let's hope BrExit doesn't change that.

They'd have to make some good changes first...


It won't change that, however more (or any) lamb in Biedronka (proving it isn't the anorexic and scrawny Polish stuff) would be good.

It's the market - most Polish people don't much care for lamb/mutton and so there's no real reason to stock more than minimal amounts.

Beef is more popular but nowhere near as popular as pork.

The biggest changes in Polish meat consumption in the last 20 years or so is the widespread adoption of turkey meat (I remember when it was pretty hard to find) and an increase in beef consumption.

The existence of lamb at all in Poland is probably part of a wider trend of more variety in meats available (biedronka also frequently know has duck, goose and rabbit).

What's funny is biedronka (portuguese owned) expanding the seafood section to widespread indifference. I really don't think many Polish people are going to start eating octopus.... many have a problem with shrimp even.

They did.

Ready made Osso Bucco too. The lamb thing has long been discussed. Carrefour do sell it, but it's frankly not the best.

Turkey (and there is an EU. Connection to the growth in Turkey meat sales) is bizarrely seen here as better than chicken. Appalling factory farming methods, genuine cruelty. It may seem like a rise in living standards but it comes at a cost; basic decency.

When the UK banned the cruelest type of pig unit, the farmers just sold the equipment on eBay, mostly to Polish farmers. This is one area where strong EU wide legislation would help, though I fear some countries only would enforce it rigorously and others would discreetly flout the rules.

All this does affect immigrants in both directions; the availability of previously hard to obtain products has improved quality of life.

That's what people say about lefties. There isn't an honest, truth-speaking one in the lot.
There's a Polish saying: The left bends down over hapless humanity..... to pack a bullet in the back of their head.
Vile leftist scum!

I have never heard this saying and I am a Pole living in Poland. Will you perhaps write it down in Polish for me?

That one expression (like so many others we've seen here) says so much about you...

And it is also rather hypocritical of you in the circumstances. Mind you, every worm can turn; and only a worm would use an expression like that.

And no; I wouldn't believe a word of Theresa May's any more than I would believe a word of a PiS election promise.

Hopefully Brexit means that Pakis won't come to Poland.

BREXIT is good for Poland in any sense.

Why would they? They will all end up in the land of their former colonial master, but Farage and JOhnson forgot to mention that, of course.

what a stupid thing to say

You mean they will go to Ireland now, Roz?

They made countless, starting from showing middle finger to 7000 migrants that worst party ever PO accepted.

Looks like the Poles in the UK are all safe for now, good news also for British migrants in Poland, looks like you will be able to stay in Poland too.

Theresa May confirms 800,000 Poles WILL be able to stay after Brexit as she slams hate attacks on Polish communities in UK

Read more: dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3713588/Theresa-confirms-800-000-Polish-able-stay-Brexit.html#ixzz4FoGKrp5p

I don't believe that the Poles were a problem in the first place. The Brits who voted for BREXIT are afraid of uncontrolled immigration of muslims, but Farage and Johnson forgot to mention that most of these are Commonwealth citizens who can enter the U.K. quite easily. The perceived immigration problem won't be solved by leaving the EU. It just hasn't dawned on the Brits yet ...

I worry in case it causes problems for me n my polish bf