How will BREXIT affect the immigrants in UK and Poland.

Liberals who do not get their way always pull the racist card, many who I know that voted Brexit was to get rid of EU meddling.

Some certainly did. Others because they didn't think it would happen and wanted to express their general disgruntledness, some as a typical mid-term protest vote, others from a Little England mentality, some because of a generic dislike of abroad, and many many more because of deliberate misinformation from the media against a backdrop of a very lukewarm Remain campaign. Certainly there are no sound economic reasons for leaving, as in large part shown by Farage, Boris etc fleeing from the task of actually doing it.


Yes. Worth remembering though that the UK has around 5 million citizens living abroad and if we finally left the EU, there would be no change in migration or immigration; the same rules would apply. Plus of course the fact that immigration is good for the economy.

House prices will drop 20%, markets will collapse, taxes will go up 2p in the pound. Daft? Yes But lukewarm? Come on! They threw all kinds of rubbish at it. Youre starting to look like a blinkered remainer!

There are about 1.2 million expats abroad not 5 million btw. And immigration is good for the economy is not a full stop statement. To a degree they can be, but too many or too many of those milking the system creates a drag. For most people, we are here.

There will be no second referendum. Its done. Its just sour grapes on the part of the losing side. All elements of those with the potential to be in charge have said it will happen, it just a question on what terms. Youve just had Leadsom guarantee the rights of EU citizens in the UK the right to stay, but immigration from here on will be on the UK's terms. Hers is probably the best mixture, although UK expats may get a better deal from a May leadership.

Its not their decision to make, its Parliament's. Whether it would go against the referendum is doubtful, but they could.


House prices are down, over night, probably 15%. Pound has lost 8% so far. Doesn't look so 'daft'

Actually 4.9 million by the latest figures.


That's the opposite of the truth. Really, I wouldn't trust even one word from a Tory politician!


This is true, and should a deal with the rest of the EU be made, it will need voting on, almost certainly in a referendum. Any deal is likely to have all the things the Brexiteers hate: free movement of people, continuing payments, exactly the same red tape. I doubt people would choose that deal.

In my country, some people celebrate BREXIT, believing that without terrorist loving British government EU could even become better lunacy (as if one can improve lunacy?). Sure, until Serbians decide to leave that better lunacy and then all continent split on two- new Commonwealth and western Europe.

And then the big bad Russian wolf will invade the new Commonwealth and western Europe will watch and refrain from interfering...

no, no, Russians would stay calm. China gave clear signals. They won`t dare to move against Serbians. i now understand. Serbian role would be to initiate formation of Intermarium, not Poland. It would prove to Russians that Intermarium isn`t against Russia but in interest of all big players in Europe and world.

Western Europe is the one who would go crazy but, USA, Russians, China and Vatican already have a deal to support Serbians. We Serbians entering EU to burn candle for it, like we did for Austro-Hungaria. Only new Commonwealth (ie Intermarium) can satisfy us.

The one that you destroyed back in the nineties ? With Croatia , Albania , Kosovo , Bosnia .....? The irony is that most likely you will join EU along with the above mentioned countries and like it or not you will be united again ... damn its a crazy world isnt it ?

skrud

Don`t believe in that crap. Serbia didn`t destroy Yugoslavia. Its pure and simple war propaganda. Anglos in deal with Germanics, Turks and Saudis did it. Just look the regimes in newly created ``states``. In Croatia (Greater Croatia) you have open neo-Nazism on the scene. On Kosovo you have open rule of narco cartel islamists and in Bosnia rule of sharia law. Plan for Greater Albania goes on. That was plan of those who destroyed Yugoslavia. To reduce Slavs, to segment them and to assimilate them.

As for life `together` in EU, well, i think that EU already proving itself as a failure. No need Serbians to prove it.

That's repeated a lot but not necessarily true. If it were then all Greece would have to do is attract a lot of immigrants from the middle east to start raking in the euros.

What is undeniably true is the prosperity attracts immigrants and lots of low skilled immigrants make like even more fun for those who were already doing well as they make it possible to hire low-wage domestic workers and the like (and they allow employers to keep wages artificially low). It's also good for property speculators as it drives housing costs up.

Immigration is like any other social policy - it can have its upsides and it can have its downsides. Completely eliminating it and completely throwing the doors open are both dysfunctional in different ways.

Greece has no jobs on offer thats why there is 50% unemployment amongst the youth (you wonder what our lot of students in the UK were thinking about voting for remain. Maybe they wanted to stay eternal students). Immigration would just make things worse, but of course you wont see any as their is no incentive to go to Greece. Germany and the UK are far more attractive. Greece can solve its problem by leaving the euro, while remaining in the european union (although the germans are unlikely to let them leave easily). Essentially what Poland has today. You get the single market access but also retain the ability to debase your currency if necessary and gain that advantage over partners.

This Brexit thing keeps getting richer and richer as the turds float to the top.
The former president of the of the European Commission, the European Union's (EU) unelected executive arm has been recruited as the new boss of international operations at Goldman Sachs, who funded the official anti Brexit campaign.

(Goldman Sachs paid Hillary Clinton $750,000 for a twenty minute speech that she refuses to make public the transcript of
........what could she say that was worth that kind of money ???????)
Goldman Sachs is the American investment bank which was accused of "serious misconduct" and agreed last month to pay out $5 billion and change for its role in the 2008 financial crisis is to hire José Manuel Barroso the former Portuguese prime minister and most powerful man in the EU.

I have to renew my orders for the connectors I buy from uk in august its 1.2 mil pounds for 12 months. I can also buy from singapore. Should I?

You seem so bitter, do you read the Guardian too.

Hope you are not talking to me its a minor business decision for only 4 types of connectors. I just prefer to give it to poms but if they become racist thugs I won't. No big deal.

Well Singapore seems much more local to you, I would do your business there. After all you have no way of knowing who the apparent racist is, could be the people selling you your connectors.

Peculiar how you who lives in a highly secure, highly protective country, lambastes a nation for wanting to be just that.

brits r out of the eu lol!)

DONT COME BACK

Amen !

I truly hope the new PM, May, sorts out the huge immigration problem which we have from the eastern europeans (ie poles).
Let's get Great Britain, great again, and not some backward country where immigrants bring their crappy idea of what a neighborhood, and what a community should be.

I truly hope, she kicks out the immigrants, and gives jobs to the English.
The UK have said, with BREXIT, enough is enough, we don't want any more immigrants from the eu
and in fact, we don't even want 99% of the ones, already here..

I travel on australian passport so it means little to me. Secondly, when I go to uk I don't meet with the peasant class, they don't provide me with anything. I have never met anyone who wanted to leave, I guess those toothless wretches are outside trying to score thier next hit and bashing their kids and wives while pondering why they are having trouble reading the beer label. I have found that dumb people who write laughable trash on line want to leave while the smart ones don't. As a pom said to me today.....I can't wait for that line of shops to go back to being a boarded up ghetto like it used to be before 'those' people came..... Hmmmm. That's why I am going to back my old friends in uk for business, because they are just victims themselves as they adsure me. Bye for now.

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The UK has a surplus of £55billion in Services with the EU, but these require passporting- a UK based company but operating in the EU.

Its not 'Trade' that can continue without access to the Single Market (unlike, say manufacturing exports). So the UK will keep buying EU's manufactured goods and lose its Services 'exports' (£90bn) as UK companies will have to MOVE to the single market area.


You can hope all you want. Never going to happen.

We will join the EEA.
The UK will pay more to the EU.
We will get a the same number of immigrants.
We will have NO say in making EU laws, we will have to implement them without complaint.
We will live in a weaker and less influential country

This is what you voted for, enjoy.

On the other hand we will control our fisheries and farming.. no more subsidies to farmers.

AFAICT the UK had no real say in making EU laws before Brexit.

And if what you write is true, then from the cold-blooded British interest point of view, there's no reason for the EU to exist and the UK should actively work towards its dissolution as the EU cannot serve British interests anymore than the Warsaw pact could serve Polish interests....

Yes, the UK has an influence, it blocked the Tolbin tax (transaction tax) and operated the City outside the Eurozone. If the EU got its way, the City would have been screwed. Thats a huge part of the UK tax base that is now under threat.


What a stupid comment. The UK is a capitalist country and the Single Market has allowed it to prosper. It is/was the biggest economic body in the world and its right next to the UK, why the hell would the UK want to destroy it??

If the EU takes the position: "We won't negotiate with you, and you still have to follow all of our idiotic, unrealistic, centralized regulations if you want to do business with us" then the EU is, whatever else it thinks it is, a threat.

EU is a club with it's own rules. UK wanted out and can go out. But they want out only on the things they don't like and keep all the good things. Understandable but why do you think EU should agree to that Mafketis?

The EU banks have a 128BN black hole, that should keep the club busy

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3685601/EU-banks-need-128bn-bailout-Chief-economist-bloc-s-biggest-lender-warns-industry-heading-disaster-unless-action-taken.html

theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/11/the-next-eu-crisis-in-the-italia n-banks-needs-to-be-addressed

Agreed


Rather like Poland, wouldn't you say?


It's better to have European non-members as friends than as de facto enemies, lenka? The number one main reason that many people in some countries are .... cooling on the EU has to do with a bunch of unelected and unaccountable technocrats telling them what to do and pushing for further, unwanted "integration". Rather than pay attention to that the EU has so far chosen to double down on stupid - pushing for even more integration.

In its day, the EU did a huge amount of good for Europe, but I'm becoming more and more convinced that that day is over. If the EU wants to survive long term then it needs to change some things and I don't think the elite in Brussels realizes that yet.

Even if all this points are valid it doesn't change the fact why you think UK should get access to single market 'just because'. The single market was created as an advantage for the EU members not a 'God given right'. Even if one may have it's misgivings about EU it's hard to justify the position of 'we don't want to be a member, we don't like what you do oh but yes, we do like your single market so we want that. It's an approach of eat the cookie and have the cookie. And I don't see why EU should be a bad guy if they say ''no, sorry, it doesn't work that way'

I'm not saying that. I'm saying that it's in the EU's own interest to facilitate access to the single market and to place nice with the UK and not try to make an example out of them. Whatever the EU does is up to the EU. I'm not an EU citizen so I don't have a dog in the fight as they say.