Poland to be Booted from Schengen - a Border Security Issue or Tusk's Revenge on Polish Voters for PO Defeat?

You seem to have completely misrepresented the actual facts.

The idea was floated by one party in the Dutch ruling coalition, and has been met with nothing but rejection by everyone else. The idea also wasn't about kicking countries out of Schengen, but rather about making sure that anyone trying to claim asylum would be held at the border of Benelux/Germany/Austria and processed in a systematic manner. No-one else in the EU is talking about this - it's a plan made by one party in one EU country. And even that plan is seemingly only actually a rumour in the Dutch press and nothing more.

In short, it's a non-issue. Even if Schengen falls apart, it's likely to mean that the Visegrad countries (plus a few more, like the Baltic countries) will form their own Schengen area. But Schengen is so vital to the "four freedoms" that it seems highly unlikely to fall anytime soon.

I also wish to point out that Schengen already existed in practice even before the Schengen agreement was signed. Many borders in Europe are just not well guarded - I've crossed countless non-Schengen borders illegally and without any consequence.

Not at all.


Politics (Noun) - the practice and theory of influencing other people.

That fact that the idea for a mini-Schengen was even brought up (particularly by a party siting in a ruling coalition) means citizens and their elected representatives share the same sentiment. And it certainly isn't a topic which will only find favor in Holland. Even if there are others out there who don't see eye to eye on the issue they are at least willing to listen and discuss it. That's how politics works. Ideas; lobbying for those ideas; gaining traction with those ideas; ideas eventually becoming policy. Why else do opt-outs even exist then for some member states (including Poland) on some EU matters? Why no harmony whatsoever then on the processing and placement of migrants? Because local, regional and national politics matter and they definitely shape and affect the entire EU enterprise.

A mini-Schengen may be unthinkable for some but it was effectively in place anyway until recently under the Dublin Regulations regarding migrant flows through those peripheral countries on Europe's underbelly.

Now that place like Germany and Sweden are groaning under the presence of migrants and the spiraling associated financial costs it is not surprising that local parties are devising ways to staunch and divert the problem - even if it means attempting to create a broader Romano-Slavic buffer zone around a Franco-Germanic speaking core. And it stands a reasonably good chance too considering that the latter group has historically been the higher contributor to the EU budget compared to the former group.


You seem to have completely misrepresented the actual facts about your character then with your employer.

Totally clueless.

Can you remind us of the last time you travelled in Central Europe. ?

Except due to you and other xenophobes Poland is now going back to being in Eastern Europe. I love this country and hate ...
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Absolutely. Many borders were theoretically "closed" before Schengen, yet they were commonly used by locals without fuss. I suppose in Bieganski's North American world, locals would just go massively out of their way to go visit their friend, but in Europe, people would just go. Is he seriously suggesting that people in places such as Karvina (near Ostrava) were obeying the rules of crossing the border before 2007, including only crossing at official crossings?

Schengen came about partially because physical border crossings were a complete absurdity by the late 1980's.

According to news, all the "Paris' (+ all the others of course) terrorists, were able to go to and back from Syria and travel all over Europe with NO worry since borders were wide opened. This morning, among a lot of others, French right-wing daily "Le Figaro" is accusing Schengen.

Right now in the news: 10 guys selling Syrian pasports arrested by Greek police. It was completely obvious that among the migrants, there would be terrorists (the islamists had warned us) but smart Angela and consorts had not envisaged the idea... They should at least resign.... Amazingly, this week, Angela is very discrete or maybe the poor "little" thing is just sick with flu, so away from the media ;););

Merkel's folly continues to pay dividends, diving Europe and increasing mutual hostilities between EU states and resetting long abandoned border controls.

And the strains on the social system will soon see citizens and new arrivals at each others' throats...

DANKE ANGELA! SEHR GUT GEMACHT!!!