Poland to be Booted from Schengen - a Border Security Issue or Tusk's Revenge on Polish Voters for PO Defeat?

EU plans have been leaked showing Poland as a border state outside a revised "mini-Schengen".



Source: dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3324142/Greece-Spain-Italy-kicked-Schengen-Zone-Eastern-European-countries-bid-save-EU-s-passport-free-travel-area.html

The article claims the reason behind the need to redraw the map lies with the current migrant crisis: "Leaders have been holding behind closed door discussions ahead of the summit to work out if a much smaller passport-free travel zone could help ease the crisis. The countries in the new area would work together to control their new external border more tightly and impose thorough checks on asylum seekers on arrival."

Some will likely argue that shrinking Schengen to a core of just a few states will effectively halt the stampede of migrants to places like Germany which idiotically threw out the welcome mat and then force places like reasoned thinking Poland to domicile them instead. However, it is highly unlikely that PiS (or Hungary's Fidesz or even Greece's Syriza) will accept this scenario as a fait accompli especially when considering that a country like France which has never extended much hospitality towards migrants and thought nothing of shutting down its own borders recently will still remain in this "mini-Schengen".

Tusk is quoted as saying "...the travel zone was destined to fail without radical action to secure Europe's external border...'Let there be no doubt, the future of Schengen is at stake and time is running out,'"

One would have thought that Tusk would be exercising his influence in his current position to ensure that Poland remained inside rather placed outside this new frontier. After all, PO had years in power (with Tusk himself at the helm) to ensure Poland's border security requirements were on par or exceed the standards of the members of this planned "mini-Schengen". Odd then that as soon as Poles exercised their democratic freedoms and right to vote recently resulting in Tusk's own party suffering a stunning defeat at the polls that ordinary Poles now face having encumbered travel to places like Germany, France, the Czech Republic, etc. To be sure though, no politician (especially Tusk and Kopacz) will face any hindrances with their own travels.

It shows we'll always be 2nd tier Euros to the West. Even if bent over and took refugees, they would have pulled this stunt. I am not surprised or angry.

It seems feckers will try to fortify Austria and push the crowds via Hungary, Slovakia and... We should get out of Schengen ASAP and get ready to deploy army at the borders If/when this madness begins.

I believe that we are receiving retribution for us Poles invading countries like the UK undercutting salaries, taking local housing, making benefits harder to claim for the locals etc.

We must understand that millions of Western Europeans hate Polish people for our lack of dignity and morals and for the immense suffering that we have imposed upon a great many people. It's time to face up !

This is great news, we will have a stronger border, bit of extra travel bother

It seems to be... but If EUnuchs do that, there must be some hidden shyt.

Anna_Zirin So you chose to criticise the Poles for exercising their right of freedom of travel in Europe Hmm, many more will be following the path jaldi jaldi to Bbritain , It is a great lace to accumulate wealth.

That's where I stopped reading

Comrad Merkel is creating her "Cozy" zone

Given the fact that the EU's external border to the east of Poland is arguably the most secure border the EU has, while there is pretty much zero infrastructure along a proposed (allegedly) border between Poland and Germany and even less infrastructure along the Czech-Polish border (but instead the best part of 800km of very hard to patrol space), only an utter moron would propose shifting the Schengen border to the west of Poland.

It will be a real pain in some of the joint Czech Polish Mountain Ski resorts

It's the Daily Mail, which routinely makes up all sorts of stuff just to create sensation online. They're very, very good at it. That map you posted - did it not escape your attention that Latvia is in blue, which clearly means it's a pile of bollocks?


They are. The only thing that Poland could do a bit better would be to impose a frontier zone with Russia and Belarus, similar to Finland and Lithuania. Apart from that, Poland has done a fine job of protecting the Schengen border.


Off the top of my head (border crossings being my specialist subject and all that), the infrastructure has mostly vanished from that border. It would be theoretically possible to reactivate the crossing in Kostrzyn nad Odrą as the canopy is still intact, but most of the buildings are now used by the gmina and a private nursery. I'm not sure what they did with the booths, but they were stored nearby not that long ago. Likewise, it wouldn't be too difficult to reintroduce controls at Świecko as some of the infrastructure is still there. Olszyna is also theoretically possible, although a lot of the infrastructure is completely ruined and the car infrastructure has been demolished. I *think* the old crossing at Garz is still intact, too. Apart from that, everything else has been demolished or removed to my knowledge. There are still some buildings intact and not in use (particularly on the German side), but the actual road infrastructure has gone. In places such as Zgorzelec, the motorway crossing was completely demolished, and the Polish border crossing in the town was completely demolished and new offices built in place. I think there's also one pedestrian crossing near Zittau that's still intact.

Not much really, and in many places, the infrastructure has been so comprehensively removed that it would take a lot of money and effort simply to put in anything resembling permanent controls.


Exactly. Not much remains at all - I've explored many, many places along the PL-CZ/DE borders, and both PL and CZ ruthlessly removed a lot of the infrastructure within a couple of years. There's still some remains near Hradek nad Nisou (the buildings used for pedestrian control are intact), but there's really not much to write about. The border has been opened so comprehensively that it would be so difficult to return to the pre-2004 state of affairs - and even then, many border crossings were open for tourist crossings anyway. The border as early as 1991 ceased to be controlled in a serious way - the internet is full of stories of people just jumping over fences to visit the Czech beer shop or the Polish meat shop with a blind eye being turned.

But definitely along the PL/CZ border, very very nothing remains of the infrastructure needed to even conduct EU border controls. It's not like Hungary that kept almost everything intact (although ruined) - they really did demolish absolutely everything. Even in Cieszyn, mostly everything has been demolished and a Castorama has been built on the site. There's still some facilities for truckers (likewise on the CZ side), but nothing of the scale needed to reactivate controls. Meanwhile, the pedestrian crossings in Cieszyn/Cesky Tesin have all been demolished or turned into shops.

What *is* realistic is Greece finally being told to shut up and accept EU help when it comes to patrolling their waters. The Greeks are whining and moaning about it, but I cannot understand why they haven't been told to either accept or face being booted out of Schengen.

A very good idea. A first step in getting out of the EU.

Ironside Good excuse to get out without paying any money back in fines

Western Europeans don't like Poles because we are Slavic

We are not on the same side as the West. They defend and preach for multiculturalism, feminism and homosexuality.

Do they? Would you rather some state run repressed newspaper that hides things and you never get to see or hear anything other than that which your (potentially) traitorous leaders wish for you?

Daily Mil breaks stories much sooner than mainstream media. Their job is to push the envelope. I've read stories in this Refugee Crisis on Daily Mil that took weeks for the mainstream media to finally catch up on. By then the focus is already on another controversy.

Good excuse for the EU to remind Poland that there are a lot of poorer rural communities that she will have to fund herself without money from the CAP. Good excuse for the EU to remind Poland that all goods will need to be thoroughly checked again at the border, along with the huge queues of trucks that used to form.

Good excuse for Poland to crack down on in transit tax fraud etc etc

Western manipulation was destined to return sooner than later. The timing of this could not come at a better time.

Enjoy your Western born & raised jihadist!

So.. tell us, what do you know about Schengen in practice?

Bah!


Exactly!
Time to take Polish national interests seriously and stop listening to all that PC jabbering. Those "core" EU countries have noting of note to offer for Poland, that Poland wouldn't get otherwise and cheaper.

Business will suffer and people will be inconvenienced during vacation travel. Small price to pay to avoid Western "values" shoved down your throat.

Hahahahaha. That just proves my point - you haven't actually spent any time in Polish border towns.

Here's a clue : many border towns function as a single economic market. It's not a matter of "vacation travel", but rather imposing severe restrictions on everyday life.

Poland can leave Nato ,, OOOps Merkel an co will poop their pants, Mr Putin best friends with Poland again, + Britain comes out of Euro,,, Merkel & co poop more pants....

Poland will be ok, I can remember that the world did exist and spin round before the EU.

... no thank you.

First he gives, then he asks, that sort of thing.

No not too serious about Putin, but the political game is all about leverage.

It's true, but I think Poland actually could be the one to lead a lot of the smaller Schengen states in demanding that the southern Schengen border is patrolled more effectively.

Delph I agree , If the borders can be proved to be secure there is no need for this break up nonsense. (Short sighted knee jerk politicians eh)

Why when you've quoted from the Daily Mail yourself only two months ago?

Example: https://polishforums.com/language/collins-intermediate-level-audio-course-75559/#msg1498605


Oh, so your referencing the Daily Mail numerous times on here in the past and as recently as July 2015 means what then exactly regarding the validity of your posts?

Example: https://polishforums.com/news/poland-wave-designer-drug-poisoning-dopalacze-75091/#msg1490073

OK. Anyway, regarding the map, which major news outlet has never had to issue a minor correction to a published story?



Indeed to you both. The tabloid press's no-holds-barred approach to journalism means politicians and their machinations will be shown as much deference and discretion as would a convicted paedophile rapist or married Hollywood actor caught with a prostitute. I even saw an interview once with a BBC programmer admitting that they check the Daily Mail first in order to follow their lead on the most important social or political topic being reported.

Anyone can do a search regarding the "mini-Schengen" scheme I started in this thread. Reuters now has their own an article online about it and even several Polish language news sites are citing the same DM article I referenced.