Berlin terrorist attack -- Poland's ethnic homogeneity a true blessing

As pointed out by Mafketis, you are not in any position to judge whether someone is a real Catholic or not (nor are any of us). Perhaps explain to us all here how "real Catholicism" works. To your mind does a person stop being a real Catholic when they commit a sin ?


The IRA weren't doing it in the name of God-they were doing it for political reasons-I've explained that before on another thread. Are you saying that every act of terrorism carried out by Al Qaeda and ISIS were not carried out by any muslims ? It's quite an original theory Harry so I will give you that but the reason why a theory isn't shared by millions is usually because the theory is wrong. However, I accept that you don't like the facts to get in the way of a good debate :)


With all due respect Lenka but this is irrelevant. Atch was not making the point that you should be bothered. Atch was making the same point I made that the IRA were motivated by political reasons rather than by religious reasons and THAT is why the comparison Harry makes is not valid


Nobody is denying that Catholics are capable of committing acts of terrorism-every creed is capable of it. I respect your right to deny that Islam has nothing to do with terrorism carried out by people who happen to be muslims and who commit these acts by crying out "Praise be to Allah" and are often seen in videos released after their death proclaiming their obedience to Allah and quoting from the Q'ran. I respect your right...but you'd still be wrong.

Can any of you show me when the IRA explicitly (or even vaguely) justified their murders as part of their Catholic beliefs ?


True but if a western country fell under overall muslim leadership (wait a few decades) and non-muslims were told they had to cover up, eat only halal, be banned from Christian worship then I am pretty sure not many of the peaceful majority would shed a tear for us. Being tolerant towards people who are extremely intolerant towards Jews, gays, women, other religions etc perhaps makes you a better person than me but I don't apologise for my pragmatic view on how Islam has "integrated" into western society so far.

But the point is that not ALL Catholics are IRA terrorists aka "freedom fighters" any more than ALL Muslims are "soldiers of ISIS" aka hypocrites who justify terror through the Qu'ran!

That is true and if I gave that impression then I apologise.

There is a distinction between the violent minority and the peaceful majority within the Islamic community but don't underestimate the majority........

Honestly, this is a problem found in most communities in different ways, it's nothing particularly special. There's only a minority of complete racist idiots in Polish society, yet the majority passively accepts it.

I can't decide if I am just genetically engineered to disagree with you or we just cannot agree on anything :)

The racist idiots in Polish society are not a global problem nor do they present a threat to the same degree that Islamic fundamentalists do. If Polish thugs were doing that then I would fully expect the Polish majority to openly condemn them and to make efforts to get their house in order.

Except they aren't. The majority are quite passive towards the spate of attacks in the last year and a half on foreigners, and racist attitudes are displayed by many people, even supposedly educated people.


I'd say that fundamentalists of *any* religion are a danger to the world. I don't remember which country it was (Sri Lanka?), but there was a case not so long ago of Buddhist fundamentalists killing Muslims.

Of course, we shouldn't turn a blind eye to the radicalisation of Muslim society. Turning a blind eye doesn't work, and I cannot fathom for the life of me why the UK took in so many Somalis and other African Muslims.

No, the point is that is a false analogy. IRA had nothing to do with religion. ISIS feeds on religion and their main aim is religious. Political too but in Islam those two are interweaved.

More like progressives from whom their ideology and dogmas are interweaved with politicks. There are huge similarites between leftie ideologies and Islam than between other religions.

Course it did. Haven't you read the memoirs of people in the IRA?


Really? I'd say that fundamentalist Islam has much more in common with right wing ideologies.

More likely Burma, but at present Islam is winning the crazy religious terrorist sweepstakes (easily producing more than all other religions combined). That hasn't always been the case and it might not always be the case but it is indisputably the case at present and all the hemming and hawing and making excuses won't change that.

Not the same thing. The acts of terrorism were not motivated by religious belief. See my question below which I fully expect will be sidestepped....

Why is religious belief any different to nationalism? Both are a form of religion in a way, particularly Irish and Polish nationalism (and German nationalism in the 1930's!).

That may be due to its age. Christianity 600 years ago wasn't exactly the religion of peace. And who expected the Spanish Inquisition?

And that's exactly the problem. From a UK point of view, the amount of idiots that were wilfully turning a blind eye to problems (while returning home to their comfortable houses in comfortable suburbs with 99% white people) is just astonishing. I don't agree with branding all Muslims as terrorists, but let's not pretend that there isn't a huge problem with Somalis in London for instance. Even the LGBT community in London is pretty vocal about the dangers posed by Somalis and their attitudes towards people.

I wouldn't cry if we completely banned unskilled labour arriving from Muslim-majority African countries for instance.

Right-that's it.

I'm going to lie down in a dark room until I feel better. I think I agree with you on something. I hope this feeling passes soon as I don't like it.

Hahaha!

You only need to take a look at the problems caused by Tunisians/Algerians in France and by Somalis in London to see why they're simply not good news if they're not educated. I don't mind taking their doctors and engineers (just as Turkey had no problems taking the educated from Syria), but seriously, Poland, there's no need to give a work permit to some guy who is going to take his tribal culture here.

Back when W was first planning to invade Iraq I kept trying to point out that there were far better ways of instigating needed changes into the stagnant and repressively traditional Middle East. I used to point out Tunisia, in particular, as a country that could really flower with some strategic help (strenghtening secularism and pro-westernism). Of course that never happened and the Saudis have been befouling it with their nasty primitive version of Islam and now it's one of the prime providers of jihadi cannon fodder.

@Ironside, if by "false ideology", you mean that it is predicated on false premises, I agree:-)

What's wrong with Somali and other African muslims? Are you racist or something?

Wulkie's being sarcastic:-)

Of course it's an insult to native-born majority (HIGH-) skilled labor to be essentially replaced by cheaper-wage foreigners, especially from Muslim countries with strong, proven ties to ISIS!

Seriously.....WTF ?!

Someone has kidnapped Delphian and making him write under duress !!!

Please release him immediately !

Russian hackers did it!

They successfully hacked into Delphi's PF account and had us all fooled for a while.

Right after they hacked the US elections making sure Hillary doesn't win! ;-)

Someone has to keep the fake news rolling


The Russians will be blamed for hacking the French election right after Le Pen wins:)

@Ironside, IRA is ALL about religion:-)

Er, no they aren't Lyzko. Read up on 'the troubles' which were a territorial conflict, not a religious one. Also look up the definition of IRA. The clue is in the word ' Republican '.

the thing is , as Iron has already pointed out, the 'troubles' in NI had nothing to do with religion.

People who are desperate to minimize muslim violence, however _need_ it to be about religion so they can play "moral equivalence".

And Americans have never gotten anywhere near enough information on the conflict to form informed opinions. It was only after moving to Poland (and watching sky news in the early 90s) that I even realized how much pro-unionist violence there was (never got any coverage in the US).

That though that the North is staunchly Protestant and the South staunchly Catholic DID in fact play a decisive role in the entire mess, as historically, the Protestants typically sided the with crown, whereas the Catholics didn't. The major IRA leaders and "agitators" were Catholics such as Gerry Adams, Bernadette Devlin of "England, get out of Ireland!!" fame etc. (with the blatant exception of Father Ian Paisely from Belfast).

Back to Berlin. In the end, I suggest ya'll read "Confessions of an Economic Hitman". Perkins makes it abundantly clear through economic rather than purely social or political history, that the roots of ISIS, 9/11 etc. lie in the deep-seated class disparities between the OPEC nations and the US imposing her economic weight on these desparately poor countries, in which only the top 1% have more than billions, while everyone else is struggling for a home with a toilet, basic food, and a living wage.

It's not Muslims vs. Christians or even Jews, instead it's rich vs. poor!

@Atch, please weigh into our discussion:-)

The north is 50-50 and the south is far from choc-a-bloc with balaclava-wearing prod-haters.

In Berlin, society is very multicultural. It's an open city. You can find tensions, as much between native Berliners and newly arrived Schwabians as between any other groups. Ethnic tensions are (excuse the pun) rarely black and white.

In Berlin, people get along, regardless of where they or their granny came from.

My niece was born in Berlin. The stereotype type is you will almost never find a Berliner that was born there. It's almost entirely transplants. Probably why everyone gets along - no sense of "I have to keep this place clean or respectful". People just turn the other cheek and say - well that's Berlin

I planned to move to Berlin just 4 years ago. Fk moving to Germany after the migrant crisis. Berlin was already overrun with ethnic street beggars so I doubt ill find the place has changed much. But I also doubt ill be jogging in the park at night again.

If any city is clean and respectful, it's Berlin. And millions of residents were born there.


You'd fit in.