Poland Should Beef Up Military

1 Jan 2009 / #1

Russia is moving in a strongly undemocratic direction and has used military aggression against Georgia. Poland needs to beef up it's military and get armed to the teeth to protect itself against future agression by Russia.

VaFunkoolo 6 | 654

2 Jan 2009 / #2

Pre-emptive strikes is the only option.

Seanus 15 | 19666

2 Jan 2009 / #3

You are one of those irritating Americans who believe that Russia were the aggressors. Get a grip, buster. America perpetrated it, like 9/11, based on a fallacious pretense. Saakashvili totally erred, his own people turned on him when they discovered the truth.

Stop whipping up a frenzy and creating trouble. We don't want this BS, get it? Listen to the Germans, they got it right. Yes, Russia overreacted but they had to show who was in charge. Not like America has never done that.

For starters, Poland beefing up its military only gives Russians more of a target. Also, it has a sizeable army as it stands. Of course, being in America (I'm guessing) you wouldn't know that.

Future aggression, for what? Signing the missile shield? I live in Poland and don't feel in the least bit threatened by Russia. I wonder why :)

ShelleyS 14 | 2883

2 Jan 2009 / #4

PoleAmerican

What a kunt!

You are one of those irritating Americans who believe that Russia were the aggressors.

Do you think he knows where Russia is? Do you suppose he actually believes there is a real iron curtain that kept the drafts out when the cold war was on! :)

Seanus 15 | 19666

2 Jan 2009 / #5

Russia isn't exactly inconspicuous but he'd likely guess, 'somewhere in the country called Europe'.

Gotta love those curtains ;)

Prince 15 | 590

2 Jan 2009 / #6

Poland needs energetic safty. More bio-gas, more gas made from coal, more gas form Norway. More ecological technologies ect.

Seanus 15 | 19666

2 Jan 2009 / #7

Exactly, Prince. Poland needs future energy options rather than a big military.

Prince 15 | 590

2 Jan 2009 / #8

We need modern army like France or UK have but energetic safety is much more important.

Seanus 15 | 19666

2 Jan 2009 / #9

Energetic safety :) You are right.

What is your view on a European army, Prince? Tenable proposition or wild pipedream?

Prince 15 | 590

2 Jan 2009 / #10

I support EU army, it should be created step by step.

Seanus 15 | 19666

2 Jan 2009 / #11

Do you feel that sth is lacking/insufficient with national armies?

Don't you feel that the Brits would try to bully other armies into doing things their way? British Army folk have a lot of pride.

Poland has abandoned conscription now, right?

Bratwurst Boy 8 | 11792

2 Jan 2009 / #12

Don't you feel that the Brits would try to bully other armies into doing things their way? British Army folk have a lot of pride.

I too think that is the future!

The core of such a european army is already being build...the seeds are sown so to
speak, still tiny but alive and kicking nonetheless:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurocorps

...Six countries participate in Eurocorps as "framework nations": France, Germany, Belgium(from 1993), Spain (from 1994), Luxembourg (from 1996)[2] and Poland (from 2008).

A further seven countries have pledged troops or contribute operational staff: Austria, Turkey, Greece, the United Kingdom, Finland, Italy and the Netherlands. ...

Seanus 15 | 19666

2 Jan 2009 / #13

There has been talk of this for some time but, as of yet, nothing has materialised. I'm not so sure that the current setup needs to be changed.

Guest

2 Jan 2009 / #14

I've seen a couple of

PoleAmerican

's threads now and I'm starting to wonder if they're meant to be ironic? I mean seriously, could anyone really be that dumb?

time means 5 | 1309

2 Jan 2009 / #15

...Six countries participate in Eurocorps as "framework nations": France, Germany, Belgium (from 1993), Spain (from 1994), Luxembourg (from 1996)[2] and Poland (from 2008).

A further seven countries have pledged troops or contribute operational staff: Austria, Turkey, Greece, the United Kingdom,

i doubt if this would work. already the british are complaining about some so called allies who are partying away in relative safety whilst they and some others (danes for one ) are fighting in helmand.

Bratwurst Boy 8 | 11792

2 Jan 2009 / #16

Well...about that...how said a BBC commentator so nice:

"The USUK seems to want from Germany some Waffen-SS Divisions but under their own command!"

Won't happen, sorry!
You made Germany a pacifist/pacified country with purpose - now don't expect crack front troops just because they would come in handy!

time means 5 | 1309

2 Jan 2009 / #17

it is reported that the germans in afghanistan are not aloud out at night. this from a military point of view is ridiculous. i cannot understand the reasoning behind this?

Bratwurst Boy 8 | 11792

2 Jan 2009 / #18

i cannot understand the reasoning behind this?

Most of Germany doesn't either...we don't even know what our soldiers are doing there at all!

time means 5 | 1309

2 Jan 2009 / #19

pacifist/pacified country

the war ended a long time ago.

Lotnik767 3 | 145

2 Jan 2009 / #20

Poland is doing okay for now, of curse they should have more and better equipment but they are good for now and Poland has a good army hear are some links!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Army

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Air_Force

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Navy

And up to date info on Polish Military cannon-fodder.mil.pl

McCoy 27 | 1268

29 Jan 2009 / #21

New POLAND GROM pictures:

New GROM equipment:

FN P90 TR

FN F2000

HK416D10RS with ELCAN SpecterDR (SU-230/PVS) and Laser Devices DBAL-A2 (AN/PEQ-15A)

HK416D145RS with AG-HK416(ELM) and EOTech HWS.553 (SU-231/PEQ) and DBAL-A2 (AN/PEQ-15A)

HK416 will be the new standard assault rifle in GROM

M107 and 60 mm LM-60K mortar

polam 5 | 11

29 Jan 2009 / #22

Future aggression, for what? Signing the missile shield? I live in Poland and don't feel in the least bit threatened by Russia. I wonder why :)

I'll tell you why. Because the U.S. has your back!!! I'm all in favor of a Euro army or whatever you'll call yourselves. Then the U.S. can get its bases out of Europe and you all can start defending yourselves.

celinski 31 | 1258

29 Jan 2009 / #23

I too think that is the future!

What I wonder is why Russia is not making threats

The core of such a european army is already being build...the seeds are sown so to
speak, still tiny but alive and kicking nonetheless:

on this?

McCoy 27 | 1268

9 Feb 2009 / #24

Poles in Afghanistan:

cjjc 29 | 407

9 Feb 2009 / #25

HK416D10RS

Lovely.

I prefer the G3 though.

McCoy 27 | 1268

9 Feb 2009 / #26

Lovely.

yeah, nice piece

I prefer the G3 though.

like this one?

cjjc 29 | 407

9 Feb 2009 / #27

like this one?

Yes, I prefer the 7.62mm, the stopping power is tremendous! I'd prefer the A3 version though as I hate retractable stocks.

As for something smaller for CQB I'd use the HK UMP-45.

Smaller still...

Glocks mainly, a Glock 30 again a .45

As you can tell I'm a bit of a gun/special forces nut.

I'd like to know more about Polish special forces though I have lent all my books to my little brother.

:)

McCoy 27 | 1268

9 Feb 2009 / #28

I'd like to know more about Polish special forces though I have lent all my books to my little brother.:)

ok krzychu, cos wykombinujemy ...

try this topic from militaryphotos:
militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1519

sites about grom ( in pl) :
grom.mil.pl
grom.wp.mil.pl/home.htm

and of course wiki:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GROM

some site:
abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread25760/pg1

Formoza (Special Operations Sections (Formoza - Sekcje Działań Specjalnych Marynarki Wojennej) of Polish Navy)

wiki:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FORMOZA

probably theres much more on the net if you google the right name :)

cjjc 29 | 407

9 Feb 2009 / #29

McCoy

no no! super! dziekuje bardzo!

:D

McCoy 27 | 1268

9 Feb 2009 / #30

dziekuje bardzo!

bardzo prosze (: