For all Americans worried about Schengen in Poland, dont worry about it.

I object to being called a Yank, it sounds too much like wank.

Where are all these Americans in Wroclaw? How am I missing them?

They're avoiding you?

Level? It all depends on what you mean by it. What I’m purposing is quiet simple really, the amount of foreign pollution within US society in the form of Polish nationals that the US is willing to except each year and vice versa in order to make it fair for both parties concerned. Simple percentage based quota, based on the population size which would absolutely be always equal to that of US. Since there are different types of visas that the US government issues Polish nationals then each type of visa would have to have its own quota factored in but always and I stress always equal to that of US not in number but by percentage of the population on whole.

I.e. Immigrant visa; US sets its yearly numerical quotas for Polish nationals at 6524 so US consuls abroad have no choice but to reject any application that exceeds this number, therefor the same would apply to US with the percentage factored in to make sure it’s absolutely fair. That would put this number at about 811 visas that would be available to the US nationals each year in this category, any application that exceeds this number an automatic reject, similarly for student visa, tourist visa, H1-B visa, etc.

Now I’ll bet that the number of rejects for US nationals summed up from all those categories on yearly bases would be quiet high and we could similarly use it as an excuse of not granting the US nationals an unrestricted visa free travel to Poland and keep this system in place indefinitely. LOL

As for the fees, $140 per application no matter what the outcome as our employees would need to do background checks on all US applicants too, plus the coast of the visa of course.


If you say so ;)

Why should you yanks have the right to enter Europe without visa? You should be put on a 20-year waiting list.

SHT wrote:


Just to make sure I understand what you're saying.......

A percentage based quota.....so the same percentage of people from each country will have the opportunity to get a visa to each country, correct? So, if it's say 1%...........1% of the USA is 3 million so 3 million visas to go to Poland and 1% of Poland.....400,000 visas to go to the USA.....yes?

SHT wrote:


I'll have to wait and see how you answer my question.....

They avoid me because I learned Polish which totally spoils their illusions that the language is unlearnable.

Now expanding this concept even further given that US population is roughly 300,000,000 and the number of Americans of Polish ancestry is roughly 10,000,000 as stated earlier by someone then what do you think of 811 visas in this category that would be granted to Americans? I wonder how many rejects this category alone would generate? LOL

I bet you didn't learn it perfectly. You can learn the language, but you can never get it all quite right, not in 20 years.

ShortHairThug wrote:


What is the correlation between 300,000,000, 10,000,000 and 811. Also, you said, "in this category". What category?

Still trying to get to the bottom of this.....

I didn't say that I learned it perfectly.

I can communicate in all the situations I need, at the bank, doctor, mechanic, in hospital, under stress (for example in hospital giving birth), at the playground with my kids, speaking with my in-laws and neighbors and friends who don't speak English. I can watch television, listen to the radio and read the newspaper. Sure, I make mistakes. I know I will never be perfect. I don't even strive for perfection. I need communication.

What I don't like is when someone who has never made any attempt to learn the language cannot admit that they have never even tried. I know some gentlemen that have been here in Poland going on 20 years who still cannot order a beer in Polish...and one who got angry (after 20 years in Poland) that the waitress corrected him when he ordered "jabłko sok" instead of sok jabłkowy. They sit around complaining to each other how bad the language is, but have never made an attempt to learn.

I have another friend who cannot speak Polish despite his many years here. And that's cool with him. He says that he doesn't want or need to speak Polish and that he has never tried to learn and will never try. He blames it not on Polish, but his own laziness. That's honest and ok with me.

I studied and studied and studied and read and practiced and watched TV and read newspapers, and I got a lot better, until I took a break, and then it all went away again.

It is nice though, to not understand everything people say. For example, on the bus or the train, it is more peaceful not to understand what everyone is jabbering about.

Tuning out is nice sometimes. But not knowing Polish and tuning out on the train cost me a punch in the face and another on the side of the head. If I had understood that the conductor (yes, the conductor) was not trying to check my ticket (again) but instead intended to rape me, I could have reacted before he smashed my face to bits (because he was talking to me the whole time).

Don't worry, he didn't succeed. I am strong and LOUD and he found it hard to fight with his pants undone.

There are more reasons to learn Polish than just to order piwo.

That last post is a bit off topic so I return to Schengen and Americans.

I know an American man deported from Poland. He overstayed the allowed time (then 6 months) and presented himself at the municipal office demanding they do something about it. They handed him his passport back and informed him that by law, they should start deportation procedure. He played the big American saying that they had to take care of his paperwork, blah, blah, blah. They implored him to just leave but he wouldn't take back his passport and insisted they do something. So they deported him. But it is not all bad, our friend got a very nice bike out of it, very cheap.

I guess the moral of the story is that they are not looking for you and your "crime" but if you present yourself to them, they may act on it.

I know two Brits, one American and one Danish guy who speak polish just as good as I, with no trace of an accent and who make no mistakes whatsoever. And I'm talking here about being able to grasp a very fast conversation in loud surroundings, like a night club. They all have been here under 10 years. So, yes it is possible to learn after all :-)

Good. Lots of Europeans are turned down by the JFK Gestapo before they enter the US.
Overstaying = getting deported, big time. I think that is pretty normal,no ?

So in response to the title of the thread - Americans should not be misled into thinking that deportation for overstaying in Poland doesn't concern them. It can happen and yes, sobieski, I think it is normal especially when you present yourself to the authorities and give them your passport as my friend did :)

Well, considering that I am in Poland only once every 5 years, I dont think I care. The Polish government can buy me a ticket back to the good ol USA. So you Brits can sit around in pubs and brag about how Poland is all yours. One catch, permanent residence for me is but a document away as I am married to a Pole and have been for 14 years. Poland is the sort of place where Brits run to have a life they could not possibly have back in Blighty. You can be popular with all the ignorant village girls. I know you think you are special because you can travel around and blow your pounds and not worry about dates, but really, you just go running back to Blighty whyen thye pounds run low, doing odd jobs until you can manage to escape again.

Thanks to the cordial invitation of your government, I can stay in the UK for 6 months solid and I have friends in the UK. You? Limited to 3 months in the USA. Who wants who? I can travel back and forth from the UK and Poland or wherever and live like that indefinitely, if that were the issue. You do the same anyway, so I really dont see where you have the advantage. Poland is not some gorgeous vacation resort, afterall. And the rest of Europe is just an expensive ****hole clowntown.

Britain is not in Schengen, it is in the EU. The UK doesnt give a hoot about Schengen. So I can use both the EU and Schengen

for as long as I like as long as I have the funds, and you guys, you cannot do **** about it. So, no, Americans dont worry about Schengen. It is a ridiculous idea. The EU is a ridiculous idea. Look at it. Every bleeding country needs a bailout.


No. If I were ever deported from Poland, Id laugh all the way home on the free ticket. There are several ways to stay in Poland.

1. university
2. business
3. marriage
4. finance
5. illness
6. job
7. pretend to be Polish, just dont tell them where you are from
8. bribe somebody
9. tell them you are from the UK. Polish cops cannot tell the difference if you feign the accent.
10. get some chick pregnant
11. buy citizenship for 100k
12. buy the cops pierogi and knedle until they burst


Maybe you. Man, Ive had the US Border Patrol gestapo give me the same treatment. I tried to enter New York from Canada and the US Border Patrol kept me for nearly 3 hours. They mess with everybody. Come on, JFK? They let a few Arabs into New York and what happened? BOOM!!!

Poles dont fly into NYC, They fly into Chicago. You know it, I know it.

What is this all about anyway? Is this a pride issue? Is this a "I deserve better treatment" issue? When I lived in Poland I got treated like crap. Poles wouldn't give you the chance to do anything but teach English. They let you in easily enough, but they only ever wanted the revenue. They knew you couldnt do anything once admitted. What? Poland has welfare? No. Poland has homeless benefits? No. Poland has oh so many jobs for Americans? No. So why would an American stay on Poland? Cipa? The life is oh so good? Please. For most Americans, Poland has nothing at all to offer. For Poles, the USA offers a chance to make cash and to live a big life that your cousins cannot have.

That is really why you are pissed and why you are oh so proud of Schengen and all that. "OH! We are getting back at those Americans for refusing us a visa!!" pssst!! As if Americans really give a damnnnnn.

Sorry to interrupt your trans but sobieski is a little Belgian or Flemish retard living in Poland and calling Polish patriots - Nazi.

As for Americans giving damn or not, I don't care, as long as USA demand visas from Poles, Poland should demand visas from Americans - simple!

Yeah, I agree with that.

They'd have to leave Schengen as a result.

Do you really want to go back to the days of 3-4 hour queues on the borders in summer?

Still, they should toughen up the long term (3 months +) rules for Americans - in fact, make it virtually impossible for them to obtain residency.


You do realise that Poland doesn't buy any tickets? You don't have the cash, you sit in a Polish jail. I'm sure, with your macho claims of streetfighting, that you'd be eaten alive in a Polish jail. Then again, your imagination would probably have you winning against the whole prison.


Fantasising again?


Quite a few Americans find themselves refused entry if it's ascertained that their sole aim is to stay in Europe for as long as possible.


Aw, can't afford it on your welfare checks?


That's okay, we quite enjoy the EU here. You only hate it because they don't welcome fat, bald Americans who fantasise about how they get involved in street fights with Polish guys.

I'm curious as to why you favor that.


Please don't tar me with the same brush.

Most americans are arrogant. not all. However this sunny guy is for sure.

delphiandomine

OH, did you complain and have them remove mu post? But it was so well written.

English wa""nkerz. I swear. How sensitive you can be.


Scottie, please stop being an apologist. These English think they are conquering Europe and defeating the USA through political exclusion. The English are arrogant, not Americans. In fact, I do not really understand why the English have that opinion about Americans. Perhaps because some Americans think they should receive preferential treatment based on nationality.

I think some Americans have that opinion, as many are related to someone who died in battle in Europe. We feel that we liberated Europe and that Europe owes us. It is true, but Europeans have been through so many wars over so many centuries. They always forget, and are rarely loyal for more than a few decades.

After that, they resent whoever came to help. They feel that they failed by not being to defend themselves alone.

The chance of another war of any sort in United Europe is zero. Everyone is just as happy as a crotch cricket between granny's legs.

1) Fair enough, though it's not your (our) generation we should feel thankful to.

2) Knock it off. You got paid already.

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/4757181.stm

feel what you want,doesnt make it true though.
twas the soviets who crushed the nazis,and,short of Patton,no American wanted to go toe to toe with uncle Joe to actually liberate the parts of Europe that still needed liberating.

So,lets see, you are moaning about "English" and Poles for not feeling greatfull that your grandpappy "liberated Europe",well,lets see...

England was never occupied so didnt need liberating,and,well,Im sure I dont need to spell out when Polands occupation ended,so,I ask again,why should we be greatfull for something "you" didnt do?


And those brave boys get our deepest respect.
Im sure you have been to as many US armed forces cemetries in Europe as I have and Im sure you can vouch for the fact that those American boys are being cared for with as much love and respect as though they were native born sons of whichever nation the have found eternal rest in.

Thanks for that. Yes, the Soviets suffered as well, but they abandoned Poland when they could have made a huge difference. They encouraged an uprising in Warsaw, only to witness the Germans destroy the city without doing anything about it.

The Soviets murdered 1000's of Polish officers at Katyn. They did no service to Europe. They only fought because they were attacked. Before that the Russians had a pact with the Germans.

It worked hand in hand. The Americans, the British and the Russians defeated Germany. Take away any one of us and it could have been very different. I do have to respect the British for sinking the Bismark. God bless the HMS Hood.

What Patton said was correct. "While we are here, lets take what is left of the German Army and beat the crap out of the Russians." Too bad the idea wasn't well received. We collectively could have prevented decades of Soviet occupation of Poland.

And what then?

It suited American, British, Russian and French interests to have things exactly the way they were.

I'm not an apologist. I just don't share your opinions.

The Cold War didn't occur because of different ideologies. The Soviet Union existed since just after WWI and there was no conflict for decades. The Cold War started because the U.S. gave the Soviets a bill for the whole lend-lease program and they refused to pay.

Exactly.


It might have done,but, after 5 1/2 and 3 1/2 years fighting respectivly,and with the war in the Far East still far from one could it really be reasonable for the British and Americans to have taken on the might of the Red Army in 45? With hindsight we can all wring our hands but ,at the time,with real politik in play and a " Polish " government in place in Lublin/warsaw and the promise of free elections what other road could have been taken? The Red Army was in Berlin,they were not taking another step back.

To be honest, I've always thought from the American point of view - it was better to have the world divided in two.

You can see the problems America has now with being the sole Superpower - problems that didn't exist when the USSR was there to even things up.