Why is Amazon not present in Poland?

I think its also to do with the Euro not being the main Polish currency. This gives Amazon the chance of more profits and the ability to take on cheap labour, Pole's get secure jobs in their home country.

We all now what the jobs are. And the quotas each worker has to fill per hour. Amazon is the new sweat shop, and no one with even a modicum of intelligence should countenance working for them.

Mind you - there's a message. Work hard at school kids - or you too could be working in a Cap Gemini call centre or for Bezos. I myself would rather eat berries and drink river water if life's choices were so bleak.

Merged: Why is there no thread on scum employment at Amazon?

I can't believe people here talk about "Do Polish women like Mexicans"? Instead of points of real import - like what we want Poland to become in the future.

I feel so desperately sorry for the poor souls who are working for this scum masquerading as a societal business. And those "employees" really should realise that they should **** such "employment" right off.

Much better to dig the vegetable patch or work the dustbins than to entertain these criminals.

youtube.com/watch?v=CXWJ4GfQ22E

These people are as accountable as Bill Cosby. Because they are American they must be untouchable.

Thanks Christ I wont be around for x amount of years to witness the **** that this world is becoming when we all feel we have to save money and buy from this mafia.

Signed,

A past customer - never to give Bezos another single cent.

You shouldn't really be pointing the finger at Amazon, they are only playing the capitalist system. Amazon and other companies like them flourish within the free market. Its the system thats at fault.

Yeah! Lets change the system and go back to the old communist that was in Poland for 60 years, were people should work or go to Gulag!!!!

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Of course that in the communism you also have the wonderful option of just get shot in the head, alleviates the suffering.

(It is so sad see young people defending communism in a country like Poland, that was already devastated by that murderous ideology. Why they didnt learned with their parents?)

They are working there out of their own choice. And customers use Amazon also out of their own choice. this is a democracy thank god.

you dont like it so you dont shop there and that is fine. I would never work there but its also my choice.

In terms of pay then I think they are comparable or even better to other entry level employers in the area and they certainly,pay more than farm work.

They are still a business that makes heavy losses and actually I dont see how they can ever fix that model - their price advantage seems to come from avoiding state taxes in the US and VAT in europe - once those loophopes are closed then I think Walmart, Auchan etc will take a lot of their business.

Yeah, lets all make false assumptions and predict the absolute worse case, delusional scenarios in line with it.

Watch the Panorama programme then about Amazon. Walking/running 11 miles a shift, under constant time pressure, is taken by some to mean that this "job" is detrimental to health.

Peter Joseph explains it best:
youtube.com/watch?v=uHWqpkhPpkA


I watched that Doug when it first aired on the BBC. Its not really a surprise. Frankly I'd prefer to work there than most building sites.


Dude do you have any idea what kind of slave labor institutes exist in 3rd world countries to bring us things like chocolate and Apple products. That Amazon video is a luxury job compared to them.

Third world countries mate. I can't understand how regional development boards can bring **** jobs like working at Amazon to a region and then crow about it - using our tax millions into the bargain and allowing the Luxembourg fiasco.

If my daughter ever applied to do a shift at Amazon I would kidnap her and do the lobotomy myself.

YES!

YES!

YES!

DEMOCRACY!!! FREEDOM!!!! LIBERTY!!!

Nobody is obligated to work!!! Or get shot in the head or go to gulag like in socialist times!
Nobody goes to jail just because don't like the government!!!

Try going somewhere without money and then come back and tell me you're free. Also does voting actually make a difference? Liberty my @ss dude.


A mod has been though this thread and made adjustments rendering it incoherent, my reply to your above post is here Levi_BR:

There is no need to complain about Amazon. Currently it's only positive for Poland:
- it decreases unemployment in the region
- it doesn't compete with their products with local companies as it exports services
- it increases salaries in Poznań and Wrocław because it competes for workers.
Many Poles work already in German Amazon, so now don't have to emigrate. They provide free transportation to work, so give work not only to citizens of big cities, but also many smaller located near Wrocław and Poznań. It isn't only employer in the region, so people don't have to agree to work there if conditions are too bad. It can serve as employer of last hope ;)

Utter nonsense.

1. It is worse than working in the Post Office or in a factory - where there is comaraderie and banter/ chat to pass the time.

2. It is an unsustainable model and produces nothing, just distributes. Therefore we have more roads, more transport, more noise and light pollution. For what? By your admission - so that other countries can get their post free cheap goods.

3. Again, it suggests that Poland is the dumping ground - and "those Poles will work for less".

Get a grip woman :)


Very interesting. A very pertinent study.


SorryMr Monitor :)
Amazon stocks goods that are NOT available in Poland - yet has the temerity to use our tax money, and take precedence because of the "model", and so compete unfairly with ethical businesses. Of course it damages local competition. I take it you do not run a small business?


Thanks cms for your sensible post.

The point is not the pay. The pay is low. A lot of people in Poland work for low pay - and that is irresponsible of the employers and they can get away with it.

I have worked with captains of industry. They feed me ******** such as: "I could pay more, and I would like to - but the government has this minimum wage and I have 100 applicants for one production line position".

It is the same in the UK - so i suppose the rule is - get those papers people! But then - why are people with degrees working for Amazon? As stop-gap work? To survive? Stacking shelves at Tesco has more respect and better working conditions than working for this scum. What is the world coming to when people will abuse themselves to earn a crust? Are we going back to the middle ages?

Anyway people these days don't have it as 'ard as I did when I were a lad.

Yes, that's why jobs in Post Office are very desired in less developed regions (basically all small towns).


It's not up us to worry about Amazon making profit. Services are equally important as production, especially, that with technological progress less people is needed in production.


Is it such a big problem, that few more cars will travel on the highway Poznań - Germany and Wrocław - Germany? They will have to pay for it anyway.


Of course these are not R&D jobs, but still jobs. Germans will miss them.


Average salary ratio to GDP in Poland is too low, so little extra competition for workers, especially unskilled shouldn't be a problem.


And still you're against extra competition for workers? Have you heard about supply and demand?

I am for a fair days' pay for a fair days' work. Amazon exploit. Everybody knows that. If people want to be exploited, then in a perfect world they should be protected from themselves. They will not stay long in employment where working conditions are "structurally damaging" as Wroclaw's post suggests, thus there is high employee turnover, with all the costs to the taxpayer, and the state will have to pay for the inherent costs of their exploitation.

For me, Amazon are unethical, so I wont buy from them anymore.
I have no problem with the McDonalds of this world, but Amazon are a terrible trend-setter for what governments - and Departments of Employment - will allow, as apparently legally acceptable work-practice. IMO of course.

Monitor - I am talking about distribution centres in general when discussing the pollution - pollution form juggernauts, delivery vans and the like. When it is production, and delivers real jobs, and real benefits to Polish GDP, then bring it on. But building holding centres for consumerist goods that are only destined for Western Europe, and Poles can't even buy under the same conditions?

No way should this be allowed for a few thousand poxy jobs.

Although they pay more, provide more extras (medical insurance, free transport, free lunches) and don't ask for not payed overtimes like many Polish companies you call it exploitation. Of course it's not the most pleasant job, but everybody knows it and will not choose it if can get better. And because of their competition other local companies have to provide better conditions to keep employees.


That's real GDP too.

I think approaching a physical job like a workout might keep one sane. (I bet that guy does not have to jog to keep in shape now ;) )

I always try to cut my own time down, be most efficient, in whatever I do. At Amazon, and many other big companies, there are numerous MBA's, engineers, statisticians, etc. constantly measuring, analyzing, trying to figure out how to shave couple of pennies off expenses.

Granted, if one feels such an overwhelming pressure, that is not a job for him or her. To others, it's a fine tuned ballet. (only half joking here)

Check out the UPS drivers: mentalfloss.com/article/60556/19-secrets-ups-drivers.

Here, can you imaginge one of these yahoos complaining of pressure learning how to do something like this?

youtube.com/watch?v=08K_aEajzNA

UPS drivers with their own business and empowerment and slaving at Amazon is not the same thing and you know it fStop.

One is honest graft and tax deductible. The other is slave labour. If one wants to jog or exercise in their leisure hours then that is up to them. but to pretend it is normal work practice is absolutely scandalous.

UPS drivers with their own business and empowerment? What are you talking about? It IS the same thing! They are constantly timed for efficiency.
I watched your video, and the wining about getting points for being late, and being asked to improve. Give me a break. Can you imaging what that place would look if nobody was watching them? Obviously, you never owned a business. Or managed people at entry level positions.

From what they write in Polish Internet, because of low unemployment in Poznań and Wrocław it's little different there. They plan to use carrot instead of stick, to make people come on time or even to show up at work at all.

Yes - countries that are democracies almost invariably have higher living standards than dictatorships by any measure - either GDP but also health, education, amount of free time etc etc

I'm not saying they don't, besides you don't vote for democracy, generally speaking revelations bring that (true democracy) about, we don't have true democracy in the UK or America anymore. What etc etc?.....if you can think of something then write it, don't use etc etc...

Why does it always come down to capitalism vs communism in these debates. There are other social systems. Like the Social Nordic models, consistently churning out high levels of life quilt for ALL their citizens.

Amount of free time? are you joking me, are you aware how hard people have to work within the working class these days just to pay bills. Also forget about one parent working in the UK, if you're married with children and have average jobs both parents will need to work and the child will be in day care if he/she is too young for school.

Imagine a social country today with all current technology working for society, where equality is of the utmost importance. Capitalism is failing.

With Amazon I have only two real issues - that our tax money goes to fund their start up - I don't understand why it should ? And my other issue is with their VAT avoidance - again a bricks and mortar store has no way to avoid that tax and thus has to pass it to customers.

On the 11km per hour then I reckon in the days when I worked in a warehouse then I was walking at least 7km - it was a 20.000 sqm warehouse - up and down the length of it 4x per hour would be 7km. Back from the till to the kitchen in McD 30 times an hour would also be 6-7km per shift. So is it really extreme ? Farm work is much harder physically than warehouse work and that is the alternative for many of the Amazon workers.

And as I said before I think they pay more than many entry level jobs in Poland.

In the very near future, Amazon will only be employing a handful of humans to manage their large holding centres, judging by this video...

Robots are nothing new. They just have to be cheaper than human labor.

PIP (Labour inspectorate) concerns at Amazon
strefabiznesu.gazetawroclawska.pl/artykul/inspekcja-pracy-w-amazonie-pod-wroclawiem-bledy-w-wynagrodzeniach-i-nadgodzinach
Inspection work in the Amazon near Wroclaw. Mistakes in various areas.

I'd be surprised if PIP didn't find mistakes, to be honest.

I remember once working in one company who were told that they should have at least one opening window in every office. When it was pointed out that they had air conditioning, it was met with "I don't care, change it". Everyone knows if PIP want to find problems, they'll find problems, which is what makes them so employee-friendly.