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PO-PiS again neck and neck


Polonius3  980 | 12275  
14 Jun 2013 /  #121
PiS INCREASES LEAD: The latest TNS survey gives PiS a 7-point lead over PO: PiS 30, PO 23, SLD 10 and Palikot 6. PSL is out of the running. The last poll cited had shown a 6-point lead, so gradually, slowly, step by step...

Maybe we'll soon be regularly seeing PiS 43, PO 22, SLD 12, Solidary Poland 8. No Palikot or PSL.
Support for all parties in the TNS poll is rather low compared to other pollsters' results. That may reflect the interviewing methods, the sample being used and/or declining public interest and trust in politics.
delphiandomine  86 | 17823  
14 Jun 2013 /  #122
PiS 30

Yet more disaster for PiS. The party should be very worried - PO are polling at 6 year lows, yet they haven't increased their poll ratings at all. This shows that PO voters are not defecting to PiS, which is what PiS need to win an election.

I've said it and I'll say it until I'm sick - PiS cannot get above 30% of the vote with Kaczynski as leader.

PiS 30, PO 23, SLD 10 and Palikot 6.

On the basis of this poll, PO win again. Remember the cordon sanitaire needs to be broken in order for PiS to win.

PiS 43, PO 22, SLD 12, Solidary Poland 8.

43% has never been achieved in the Third Republic. Even the overwhelming PO win in 2007 only gave them 41.5% of the vote, and PO aren't leading an unpopular coalition.
Polonius3  980 | 12275  
14 Jun 2013 /  #123
43% has never been achieved

There always is 'ten pierwszy raz'!
Admittedly Palikot could be a stumblign block but he has already been knocked out a few times, we can therefore only hope he won't make it but SP will. PSL will hook up with PiS to stay in power. They'd join any coalition that would give them some cabinet posts. Their plus side is that they reject a socially radical libertine agenda.
delphiandomine  86 | 17823  
14 Jun 2013 /  #124
PSL will hook up with PiS to stay in power. They'd join any coalition that would give them some cabinet posts.

This has always been the assumption, but I think they would demand the head of Kaczynski as the price of a coalition. They would know that it would be electoral suicide to prop up another Kaczynski government - look what happened last time round.

Admittedly Palikot could be a stumblign block but he has already been knocked out a few times, we can therefore only hope he won't make it but SP will.

The problem is that PiS really don't want Solidarna Polska to make it. If they do, Ziobro (who was humiliated by Kaczynski) is not going to support PiS blindly - he is a smart, smart man, and he won't hand over his 30 seats without getting significant concessions.

It's worth pointing out that if the election result produces a close result between PO and PiS, it's not inconceivable that PO could offer significant concessions in order to get the liberal part of PiS to break away in order to form a government.
Grzegorz_  51 | 6138  
14 Jun 2013 /  #125
Yet more disaster for PiS.

Total :)))
delphiandomine  86 | 17823  
14 Jun 2013 /  #126
Poor Greggy. Another 4 years hoping and begging for the Dear Leader to come and rule him.
Polonius3  980 | 12275  
14 Jun 2013 /  #127
get the liberal part of PiS to break away in order to form a government.

Or conversely, PiS could get the decent and sensible PO wing (Gowin et al) to break away in order to form a government. The problem with SP is: could they garner enough votes to retain their present number of seats?

If they could, I'm sure PiS would invite them into a colaiton. Unless, that is, PiS won outright and could go it alone (Kaczyński's delcared goal). Politics is not about bearing grudges if they don't pay off. It's about eating humble pie when required to get into or stay in power. Most of the rest is mere sloganeering.
Harry  
14 Jun 2013 /  #128
I think they would demand the head of Kaczynski as the price of a coalition. They would know that it would be electoral suicide to prop up another Kaczynski government - look what happened last time round.

At the very least they would demand that. And he would either refuse or not fully deliver on his promise (as usual). That could well split PiS in two, with PO swooping in to collect the MPs who DuckBoy would have expelled from the party in his traditional style.

Ziobro (who was humiliated by Kaczynski) is not going to support PiS blindly - he is a smart, smart man, and he won't hand over his 30 seats without getting significant concessions.

i.e. at the very least the head of DuckBoy. In which case, see above.

if the election result produces a close result between PO and PiS, it's not inconceivable that PO could offer significant concessions in order to get the liberal part of PiS to break away in order to form a government.

That's possible but only if Palikot's mob are out of it and PSL too. Even in that case I'd think a PO-SLD coalition is far more likely.

PiS could get the decent and sensible PO wing (Gowin et al) to break away in order to form a government.

Not going to happen: everybody has seen what DuckBoy does to his allies.

The problem with SP is: could they garner enough votes to retain their present number of seats?

a) Doubtful.
b) Every vote they get is a vote PiS loses.
delphiandomine  86 | 17823  
14 Jun 2013 /  #129
Or conversely, PiS could get the decent and sensible PO wing (Gowin et al) to break away in order to form a government.

It's one theory. The problem is that Gowin's views on economics would seem to be completely at odds with PiS.

The problem with SP is: could they garner enough votes to retain their present number of seats?

Probably not. PiS, for all their failings, are very very good at crushing opposition like this.

Unless, that is, PiS won outright and could go it alone (Kaczyński's delcared goal).

This is why I don't understand the support for Kaczynski within the party. It's obvious that winning a majority is nearly impossible, and he seems to be determined to either have all the power or none.

Politics is not about bearing grudges if they don't pay off. It's about eating humble pie when required to get into or stay in power.

Absolutely. That's why I think a PO-PiS coalition down the line is not impossible once Kaczynski goes.
jkb  - | 197  
14 Jun 2013 /  #130
Admittedly Palikot could be a stumblign block but he has already been knocked out a few times, we can therefore only hope he won't make it but SP will

Yes, indeed, you can only hope. Polls have proven to be worthless and underestimate Palikot by a few %.

PSL will hook up with PiS to stay in power. They'd join any coalition that would give them some cabinet posts.

That's a bold statement. Last time anyone hooked up with PiS, experienced a political death. I mean, I'm personally happy that Samoobrona and LPR are gone, they were terrible parties, but it serves as a big fat warning sign to prospective future members of that coalition.

Their plus side is that they reject a socially radical libertine agenda.

That's not really a plus side.

Or conversely, PiS could get the decent and sensible PO wing (Gowin et al) to break away in order to form a government.

It's funny, yet alarming to see the words decent, sensible and Gowin in one sentence.

Unless, that is, PiS won outright and could go it alone (Kaczyński's delcared goal).

Kłamczyński declared goal to rule alone is just a goal. Probably never to be achieved.

Politics is not about bearing grudges if they don't pay off. It's about eating humble pie when required to get into or stay in power.

Which PiS seems to be forgetting.
Harry  
14 Jun 2013 /  #131
This is why I don't understand the support for Kaczynski within the party. It's obvious that winning a majority is nearly impossible, and he seems to be determined to either have all the power or none.

It's because they have an un-shakeable faith in the rightness of what they believe: they very simply are right and everybody else in Poland is wrong. In their minds all they need to do is wait until other people realise that they are right. It's precisely the same mentality that causes Poles to leave rental properties empty for years on end rather than simply drop the rent they're asking for it.

Still, I'm certainly not complaining PiS is unelectable with DuckBoy at the helm but the bitter, twisted, hate-filled, envious, 'Catholic' nutters will flock to him while he's there and thus they will never get any power at all and thus Poland can continue to get better and better.
Polonius3  980 | 12275  
14 Jun 2013 /  #132
DuckBoy

More mud-slinging?!
Harry  
14 Jun 2013 /  #133
Not at all, it is an often used name for the man in question. Given that you have seen fit to give us the inaccurate 'Kosher gazette' and your various bits of bollocks about the 'President' of Warsaw, I'd say I'm surprised to see you being so hypocritical. Oh, wait a minute, no I'm not.

Interesting that you don't have a word to say about PiS being unelectable under DuckBoy and about him ensuring that the bitter, twisted, hate-filled, envious, 'Catholic' nutters never get anywhere near power. But then it is quite difficult to argue against the blindingly obvious, isn't it?
Polonius3  980 | 12275  
14 Jun 2013 /  #134
'Catholic' nutters

It's the anti-Catholic nutters who pose a threat to the Polish nation. Instead of trying to turn Poland into Amsterdam, why don't they just quietly leave and move there. If they love to wade in filth, so be it!
delphiandomine  86 | 17823  
14 Jun 2013 /  #135
It's the anti-Catholic nutters who pose a threat to the Polish nation.

Could you perhaps outline why they are a threat?
Lenka  5 | 3504  
14 Jun 2013 /  #136
It's the anti-Catholic nutters who pose a threat to the Polish nation. Instead of trying to turn Poland into Amsterdam, why don't they just quietly leave and move there. If they love to wade in filth, so be it!

Sorry Polonius but EVERY Pole with voting rights has the right to decide how Poland should look like- one side or the other. You are in no position to send them abroad as I don't have the right to tell right wing supporters to move to Vatican
Polonius3  980 | 12275  
14 Jun 2013 /  #137
Moral dissolution has posed a threat, often an irreversible one, to many a system or empire. Rome fell becuase it became too fat, flabby, dissolute and pleasure-obsessed to withstand the barbarian invasions. By wallowing in libertine, anything-goes dissolution, the West is building tis own coffin and providing free ammunition to the expanding ranks of militant Islam. Every so-called 'pride' parade more deeply entrenches the view that the decadent West is truly a Satan which must be destroyed by the loyal children of Allah.
Harry  
14 Jun 2013 /  #138
Polonius3: It's the anti-Catholic nutters who pose a threat to the Polish nation.

Could you perhaps outline why they are a threat?

I'd also love to learn that. However, I fear that all we'll get will be off-topic wind-baggery and insults, as usual.

tell right wing supporters to move to Vatican

Well, if they do want to live in a Catholic state rather than a secular one....
Grzegorz_  51 | 6138  
14 Jun 2013 /  #139
Sorry Polonius but EVERY Pole with voting rights has the right to decide how Poland should look like- one side or the other.

That's very true but voters should also be responsible for the decisions of gov they helped to elect. PO voters should pay higher VAT and interests from huge debts the clowns made. You brought this cancer on all of us.
jkb  - | 197  
14 Jun 2013 /  #140
Moral dissolution has posed a threat, often an irreversible one, to many a system or empire

One doesn't need to be a catholic to have morals.

PO voters should pay higher VAT and interests from huge debts the clowns made. You brought this cancer on all of us.

You clearly show a lack of understanding of the democratic process.
Lenka  5 | 3504  
14 Jun 2013 /  #141
That's very true but voters should also be responsible for the decisions of gov they helped to elect. PO voters should pay higher VAT and interests from huge debts the clowns made. You brought this cancer on all of us.

1- I never voted PO
2- if that the case maybe laws created by certain governments should also aply only to their voters? It lacks logic Grzegorz.
Polonius3  980 | 12275  
14 Jun 2013 /  #142
Some people like to have a church within wallking distance. But a brothel on every street is more to the liking of those with a different set of moral and aesthetic preferences. À chacun son goût! Which do you prefer?
delphiandomine  86 | 17823  
14 Jun 2013 /  #143
I seem to remember there was a certain religious leader about two thousand years ago who was noted for hanging out with a few prostitutes (and a dozen single men), can anybody remember his name?

Must've been Jewish.
Grzegorz_  51 | 6138  
14 Jun 2013 /  #144
if that the case maybe laws created by certain governments should also aply only to their voters?

I wouldn't mind it.
Polonius3  980 | 12275  
14 Jun 2013 /  #145
Yet another poll, this time CBOS, has reinforced the general trend of PiS in the lead. It also confirms relatively low support for all parties. Good news is that the Palicreeps are out of the running.

Results: PiS 27, PO 23, SLD 9, PSL 6, Palicoot & Circus 3.
Harry  
14 Jun 2013 /  #146
Results: PiS 27

Superb news! PO are more unpopular than ever but PiS are still below where they were in the last election. Got to love the utter ineptness of PiS.

Palicreeps ... Palicoot & Circus

Are you really trying to prove that you are utterly unable to go more than three minutes without insulting people?
Polonius3  980 | 12275  
14 Jun 2013 /  #147
You inspired me with your Duckboy, Duckist rhetoric. Your beloved *********** deserve nothing better. And Gronkowiec really is toxic like a staph infection. Good thing she's going to be recalled in a referendum.
jon357  73 | 23131  
14 Jun 2013 /  #148
PiS are still below where they were in the last election. Got to love the utter ineptness of PiS.

And with an ageing support base they aren't likely to improve that.
Polonius3  980 | 12275  
14 Jun 2013 /  #149
PiS have got a vibrant młodzieżówka (check out what that means in your hard-copy or online dictionary).
jon357  73 | 23131  
14 Jun 2013 /  #150
Unfortunately for them that hasnt really translated into votes for them, has it?

By the way, why do you think I'd need to look that word up in a dictionary?

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