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Ironside  50 | 12354  
8 Jun 2013 /  #91
If it's factual, do you have anything to support your statement?

Just reality - how many businesses belong to Polish owners only?To clarify I don't mean self-employed or kiosk leasing.
delphiandomine  86 | 17823  
8 Jun 2013 /  #92
Most of them.

I know quite a few company owners who have factories here.

As for SA companies - the whole point of such companies is that the shares can be bought by anyone.

Ironside, you do realise that many Polish companies have been aggressively expanding in East-Central Europe too? The owners of Tymbark are one such example.
Polonius3  980 | 12275  
8 Jun 2013 /  #93
Anyone know where to find a list of Polish-majority-owned companies, their field and annual turnover?
delphiandomine  86 | 17823  
8 Jun 2013 /  #94
Most Polish companies won't have such data available as they're privately held.
Polonius3  980 | 12275  
8 Jun 2013 /  #95
GUS figures are so confusing and shredded as if to purposely conceal such info.
delphiandomine  86 | 17823  
8 Jun 2013 /  #96
Such information simply won't be commonly available - I don't think the KRS even contains details of someone's nationality.
Polonius3  980 | 12275  
8 Jun 2013 /  #97
It's not just nationality but where a company is headquartered. Is Poland where their head office is?
Ironside  50 | 12354  
9 Jun 2013 /  #98
Most of them.

Data please.
jkb  - | 197  
9 Jun 2013 /  #99
Few owners are just few owners and not a trend, the trend is wage-slaves.

You first.
Ironside  50 | 12354  
9 Jun 2013 /  #100
Here, not all of them is 100% Polish owned but more or less they are Polish(about 200%).Not that much overtly and how many of them has an international sway?

map of companies in Poland: wykop.pl/ramka/1470655/mapa-okolo-200-w-miare-polskich-firm-marek-oraz-przedsiebiorstw/
jkb  - | 197  
10 Jun 2013 /  #101
And that proves that a vast majority of Polish companies is not Polish owned how exactly? It's a nice map, but it's quite irrelevant towards the argument. At the very end of 2012, the National Registry held over 22 thousand companies incorporated in Poland:

The number of companies registered in the National Court in 2012 . Highest in eight years in Poland area.

Between January and mid-September 2012 . , Based in NCR , more than 22,000 companies. Most of them , as many as 6.8 thousand , started its activity in this region.


So far you more or less proved 200 of them are Polish owned. We know nothing of the remaining 21800.
Polonius3  980 | 12275  
10 Jun 2013 /  #102
If you consider all the one-man companies, the corner shops, self-employed telemarketers and computer reparimen and all those registered to do 'działalność gospodarczą' then a staggering figure can be acheived. I had in mind companeis like Orlen operating a chain of petrol stations in Germany, or the Solaris coach company, or others with a visibly Polish image and an annual turnover in the multi-million range.
jkb  - | 197  
10 Jun 2013 /  #103
KRS only registers certain legal entities (such as sp. z o.o., S.A.) which - in general - operate on a bigger scale and with bigger money than just self-employed owners of corner shops. That's where the number of 22 thousand I provided came from. Even so, Ironside provided something that we could consider proof of around 200 relatively-large companies being Polish. We still do not know anything about the other 21800 companies. Stating that only a few of them are Polish owned is completely unsubstantiated.
Polonius3  980 | 12275  
10 Jun 2013 /  #104
Wouldn't you agree that a company could be called Polish-owend if Poles held a majrotiy stake, even just 51%?
jkb  - | 197  
10 Jun 2013 /  #105
Sure, we could say that. Why do you ask?
Ironside  50 | 12354  
10 Jun 2013 /  #106
companeis like Orlen operating a chain of petrol stations in Germany, or the Solaris coach company, or others with a visibly Polish image and an annual turnover in the multi-million range.

Not to mention banks majority of which in Poland are in the foreign hands. Also, shopping center do not belong to Poles.
delphiandomine  86 | 17823  
10 Jun 2013 /  #107
Not to mention banks majority of which in Poland are in the foreign hands.

Makes no difference. In fact, they're at the mercy of the Polish government, given the currency in use.

Also, shopping center do not belong to Poles.

What difference does it make?
Ironside  50 | 12354  
10 Jun 2013 /  #108
Makes no difference.

:D:D:DD:D
for you?

What difference does it make?

major
delphiandomine  86 | 17823  
10 Jun 2013 /  #109
for you?

For all of us. They're somewhat at the mercy of the Polish government - and the Polish government has shown that they will keep them on a much shorter leash than elsewhere.

major

Not really.

Worth pointing out that the best shopping centre in Poland is squarely in Polish hands.
jkb  - | 197  
10 Jun 2013 /  #110
:D:D:DD:D
for you?

Go and put your money in a polish bank then. You're free to choose whose services to use.

Also, shopping center do not belong to Poles.

Which one? And what's the big deal?
Harry  
10 Jun 2013 /  #111
I had in mind companeis like Orlen operating a chain of petrol stations in Germany, or the Solaris coach company, or others with a visibly Polish image and an annual turnover in the multi-million range.

The second largest rail freight company in Europe is 100% Polish owned.
Polonius3  980 | 12275  
10 Jun 2013 /  #112
Any lsit of companies majority owned by Poles and giving the percentage fthe stake?
delphiandomine  86 | 17823  
10 Jun 2013 /  #113
None, because the KRS doesn't keep such records.
jkb  - | 197  
10 Jun 2013 /  #114
Exactly. Hence the assumption that there are only very few Polish companies is completely unsubstantiated. An obvious case of demagogy.
Grzegorz_  51 | 6138  
13 Jun 2013 /  #115
Latest Homo Homini poll.

PiS 32
PO 26
SLD 15
SP 5
PSL 4
Palikot 4

sondaz.wp.pl
delphiandomine  86 | 17823  
13 Jun 2013 /  #116
Latest Homo Homini poll.

Excellent. We can see that the likely option of PO/SLD + one other shall win.

PiS are still electorally nowhere and still well short of what they need.
Grzegorz_  51 | 6138  
13 Jun 2013 /  #117
one other

Which one :)))?
delphiandomine  86 | 17823  
13 Jun 2013 /  #118
Could be any - even Solidarna Polska might be persuaded in exchange for power, although it seems unlikely that they'll get into the Sejm.

A rump PiS without Kaczynski is also a possibility.
Polonius3  980 | 12275  
13 Jun 2013 /  #119
The latest Homo Homini poll shows Pis 32, PO 26, SLD 15 and SP 5. Luckily Palikot has been booted out with only 4% and Solitary Poland has moved into the No. 4 slot. PSL is also offside at 4%. In theory, the PO and SLD could form a coalition, except that if that were known before election day, they would not even get 26% of the vote. And since they have been publicizing with the idea, the opposition will hit them over the head with it and maybe even make it the main plank of their election campaign.
jkb  - | 197  
13 Jun 2013 /  #120
Whoa. Nice propaganda. Props to you Polonius3.

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