Polish people's criticism of European Union

Germany created the crisis with no consultation with any other country.


Whis is why it opened its labor markets to Poles.... oh wait! IT CLOSED THEM FOR SEVEN YEARS! And it firmly rejected any possibility of opening up sooner than it was forced to. That's worth remembering.

Again, assume 10,000 "refugees" are sent to Poland. How many will be left after a month? How do you propose to keep them in Poland? How do you propose to stop them from going to Germany and pretending to be a new arrival by respelling their name a little?

They won't cancel it. PiS always made a big show of "standing up to Germany" while actually being very obedient about everything.

Then how will PiS keep the refugees in Poland? What if Germany decides to punish countries that can't keep the refugees in the countries they're assigned to?

Don't say that can't happen, before the summer it seemed that Germany making unilateral decisions about border enforcement could never happen. It's clearly time that Poland took a worst case scenario attitude towards German intentions because that's what they've been getting.

PiS won't keep them, and neither will anyone else. Germany will be told quite clearly that border control is their problem, and that Poland isn't going to abandon the ideals of Schengen. They'll cross the border easily, re-register in Germany under a new name and problem solved. Poland will say "they've vanished" and that will be that.


I think everyone is ready for Germany in this sense - you can already see that Poland told Germany that they agree only if Germany pays, and everyone else will take the same attitude. It's a dreadful deal for the German taxpayer, and I think that it's rather more likely that the German Lander will rebel.

Bavaria's already tried and been told to stuff it. The German Federal Government clearly doesn't care about anything other than its own mandates and the likelihood of it agreeing to Poland telling it to control its own border is.... very small.

Don't be so sure about Bavaria. The CDU needs the CSU's mandates (a lot of them) - and if AfD starts to make real progress in the polls, then the CSU could even break the link with the CDU - or at least demand Merkel's resignation.

My feeling right now is that if 1.5 million turn up like some predict, then Merkel will be gone sooner rather than later.

As a matter of fact, in Germany things are getting worse than I had thought: the Bavarian goverment want to take Merkel to court....(Gazeta Wyborcza, among others). The way it seems to be going bezirk first of all in Germany but in all the other 27 countries, I would not be suprised that EU shall take in NO refugee but instead install camps in 3rd countries, just like H. Clinton had come up with until German Mama came up with her "brilliant" idea. No country can afford the cost be economically, socially and politically (several local elections these next months in the EU: today in Vienna and the extreme right wing is supposed to do very well (if not more ....) as the refugee issue was the no.1 topic in the campaign, then in December parliamentary elections in Spain and regional elections in France where Front National is to win 1 or 2 regions).....

Of course, a lot of people are to be protected from war and dictatorships but obviously the merkelian bs way is the worst solution.

As to Poland, I seriously doubt that PiS goverment are going to be as obedient as Tusk and EW on the matter. I am sure that PO's position is going to cost them a lot of votes on 25th.

Once more, Germany mean to destroy Europe! ....

Oh, they will. PiS are in a somewhat dreadful position in this respect - if they stand up to the EU, then the money stops flowing to the poorest regions in Poland - where their vote is strongest. PO hasn't really suffered at all - Kopacz actually seems to have been strengthened in the last few weeks, while PiS haven't gained anything. They will pretend otherwise, of course - we'll hear lots of rhetoric about it, but when push comes to shove, they'll capitulate. Lech Kaczyński did just that with Lisbon...

Worth pointing out that PiS in government were cooperative in reality while mouthing off in the domestic press constantly. It was rather funny to watch - they were shouting about the EU on one hand, but agreeing to everything on the other.

Watch what ? You had no clue where Poland is back then.


That's not capitalism, that's crime/corruption/socialism/colonialism.

Merkel is not 'Germany'... :)

Don't take my word for it, look it up.

I'll provide a brief overview of the definitions though.

Capitalism: means of production in the hands of private corporations
Socialism: means of production owned by the people, shared equally
Communism: means of production organised by the government

So when you commented Poles working their butts off for 300-500 EUR / month and the profits being sent away to far away countries, which ism is that more associated with? Crony capitalism may go some way to describing what you're trying to say, but its still based on private ownership of the means of production.

Ah, the EU.

Decades of work setting it up.

Billions if not trillions spent on it.

Supposedly the best and brightest politicians (mainly leftist) and technocrats (more leftists) designing and implementing it.

Results? Nothing.

It's official:

The EU's Greatest Achievements, According To Europeans

When polled about the EU's greatest achievements to date, 29 percent of people in the UK said there were none, along with 17 percent in nine other countries.

Source: zerohedge.com/news/2017-06-24/eus-greatest-achievements-according-europeans

Interest for EU drooping in Serbia. Generally in Slavic countries. It would be wise that Poland present itself as leading country of CE and offer something better as alternative. At least hint of something better, guiding idea. Not just in words but also in practice.

Tell them brate

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