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New cross war in Warsaw


frd  7 | 1379  
4 Aug 2010 /  #61
Andd they survived Stalin by collaborating. Even now most of the people in the best flats in my block (built in '49) are former members of the party.

rubbish, that's a far fetched generalising. Most of these people were offsprings or not even alive during WW2. And you are completely delusional in the communist part. Hungry troll is hungry?

Secular fundamentalist.

theocratic fundamentalist.

I would just throw in a gas bomb or two, so the crowd disperses

Add a frag granade or two.
RubasznyRumcajs  5 | 495  
4 Aug 2010 /  #62
I heard that there was a contest for a sculpture (or other sign) to commemorate death of former president. here are few photos:

;)
frd  7 | 1379  
4 Aug 2010 /  #63
I heard that there (...)

Brilliant, but I doubt it'd be enough to satisfy these nutters....
Ironside  50 | 12474  
4 Aug 2010 /  #64
Hey ! have some respect for your countrymen, they are not traitors...... this lack of respect is downer !
Harry  
4 Aug 2010 /  #65
this lack of respect is downer !

They have no respect for the rule of law or for democracy. They should be taught a painful lesson.
Stu  12 | 515  
4 Aug 2010 /  #66
they are not traitors

Apart from the religion, there is absolutely no difference between these nutballs and the Taliban. I knew senility made people do strange things, but this blabbering and praying for a cross that shouldn't be there in the first place, is a new one for me. A couple of good blasts with a water canon would do the trick, I guess.
Ironside  50 | 12474  
4 Aug 2010 /  #67
They should be taught a painful lesson.

A couple of good blasts with a water canon would do the trick, I guess.

I see, democracy means - fist and violence!
Great!
Bzibzioh  
4 Aug 2010 /  #68
Apart from the religion, there is absolutely no difference between these nutballs and the Taliban.

Oh, I can think of a few. And if you calm down a notch, you can too, Mr. army officer.

*shakes head in pity*
frd  7 | 1379  
4 Aug 2010 /  #69
I see, democracy means - fist and violence!
Great!

Fight fire with fire.
Ironside  50 | 12474  
4 Aug 2010 /  #70
burn it all ...
Stu  12 | 515  
4 Aug 2010 /  #71
Bzibzioh

Well ... missy "doing nothing" ... enlighten me then ... tell me how these fundamentalistic catholics are any different. I can see quite a lot of similarities: egotistical, fanatic, fundamentalist, intolerant, hypocritical, undemocratic, shall I go on ... ?
Harry  
4 Aug 2010 /  #72
I see, democracy means - fist and violence!

A free state has the right to meet violence with violence.
Ironside  50 | 12474  
4 Aug 2010 /  #73
As the last resort, not because actual government can't be arsed to deal with the issue in peaceful manner.
sobieski  106 | 2111  
4 Aug 2010 /  #74
That is because the religious cross fanatics inn Warsaw are prone to do just everything. It just shows how much simpletons can get indoctrinated.
I agree with Harry. A democratic country has the right to defend itself against this kind of danger, even when it requires physical force.
Ironside  50 | 12474  
4 Aug 2010 /  #75
That is because the religious

because those people are not criminals or extremist, they have some issues and showed respect they could have been dealt with in peaceful manner.
You see some display of religion and you panic - once more its not about religion.

even when it requires physical force.

you are very prone to use force - what if the same force would be used against you and your conviction - you yourself are dangerous fanatic!
Olaf  6 | 955  
5 Aug 2010 /  #76
This is how it looks now...


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Bzibzioh  
5 Aug 2010 /  #77
Apart from the religion, there is absolutely no difference between these nutballs and the Taliban.

enlighten me then ... tell me how these fundamentalistic catholics are any different. I can see quite a lot of similarities: egotistical, fanatic, fundamentalist, intolerant, hypocritical, undemocratic, shall I go on ... ?

Well, since you asked so nicely, I shall start with babcias not be famous for its use of suicide bombers and targeting unarmed civilians. I can mention babcias not forcing any woman to wear the burqa in public, not forbidding any woman neither to work nor to be educated after the age of eight. I don't see any babcias fighting satellite dishes, cinematography, music, alcohol, computers, television or statues. It would be hard to find any babcia advocating theft being punished by the amputation of a hand, rape and murder by public execution, and married adulterers being stoned to death.

As for hypocritical, you may want to google "bacha bazi” or the dancing boys of Afghanistan.
frd  7 | 1379  
5 Aug 2010 /  #78
Right, give them some bit time, and they'll surely kill somebody, that's how PIS believers are ( yeah, not voters, believers )
Seanus  15 | 19666  
5 Aug 2010 /  #79
The difference is that the Taliban act on their beliefs. You don't see mohair berety lopping off heads unceremoniously. The cross is a symbol of virtue and people need to see more of them. It works. My wife's parents generally don't practise but they are some of the first to cross themselves when they see a cross. Keep them visible! You know, they will have a mosque outside Ground Zero in NYC. The minaret will be very visible and that's the point. It should be noticed!
jonni  16 | 2475  
5 Aug 2010 /  #80
You don't see mohair berety lopping off heads unceremoniously.

Yet. They do however support executions, as Kacynski did.

You know, they will have a mosque outside Ground Zero in NYC. The minaret will be very visible and that's the point

Nonsense. There's a mosque a couple of blocks away, and has been for many years. The modernisation plan doesn't include any minarets though.
frd  7 | 1379  
5 Aug 2010 /  #81
That's the most stupid thing to say, yeah mohers are not behading anyone, so what, they are fanatics with a slightly different background, judging from their favourite insults they surely killed at least some jews during ww2.
jonni  16 | 2475  
5 Aug 2010 /  #82
they are fanatics with a slightly different background,

The taliban, without exception, are men who grew up in refugee camps after their families were massacred during the Soviet - Afghan war. These mohairs who are demonstrating are just nutty post-menopausal women who are creating an eysore in the heart of their country's capital.

The taliban are led by a group of deeply disturbed individuals - who is behind the cross protest?

Both are driven by hatred.
frd  7 | 1379  
5 Aug 2010 /  #83
People who are in that group are not just "nutty post-menopausal women", there are legions of man there too, and I've seen a girl in her twenties who was shouting "defend the cross" or something like that... damn fanatics!!!!!!!!!!
jonni  16 | 2475  
5 Aug 2010 /  #84
damn fanatics!!!!!!!!!!

Quite! I wonder who's behind it all?

Sombody must be egging them on. Bring on the watercannons.
frd  7 | 1379  
5 Aug 2010 /  #85
Quite! I wonder who's behind it all?

Dunno, they've said that police and gov didn't intervene during the cross defence because they've got scared of the "god's hand"... but I wouldn't be amazed these people had a direct backup from PIS or RM..
Olaf  6 | 955  
5 Aug 2010 /  #86
People don't need much to free themselves from individual thinking and "go with the flow" of the thoughtless mob. It is herding instinct together with the fanatism. Poles also have a deeply rooted inner will to oppose, created along the centuries of Polish struggles for indepedence etc. But Talibs are everywhere
hague1cmaeron  14 | 1366  
5 Aug 2010 /  #87
it's just a bunch of jumped up stupid peasants incited by Kaczynski, bring out the batons and spray if you have to-is what I say. the kaczynski cohort are exactly the type of fake idiotic patriots that brought Poland ruin and partition in the past.
OP Polonius3  980 | 12275  
5 Aug 2010 /  #88
You get plenty of mindless herd instinct amongst football hooligans, rock-concert freaks or rampaging anti-globalists.... On balance, Christian fanatics in our times have caused far less damage than any of the above-mentioned. From the standpoint of public safety, prevention is the way to go rather than letting things get out of hand. But that requires the kind of common sense, foresight and sensitivity the Don-Bron clique seem to lack.
Harry  
5 Aug 2010 /  #89
Harry:
A free state has the right to meet violence with violence.

As the last resort, not because actual government can't be arsed to deal with the issue in peaceful manner.

As one of them once said "Violence is bad but there is no way you can protest against this abnormality without violence."
hague1cmaeron  14 | 1366  
5 Aug 2010 /  #90
Warsaw Pact countries are perhaps more vindictive

Perhaps not, if they were than former communists would never return to power, vindictive is the type of politics practiced by Labour in the UK fueled purely by class hatred.

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