The cross row illustrates a well-known fact that whenever anything out of the ordinary is happening, it activates all kinds of peripheral individuals, in this case the man with the excrement in a jar or hand grenade. Legitimate protests often are taken advantage of by lootters, and every large crowd -- be it a rock concert or a pilgrimage -- creates a certain amount of confusion behind which pickpockets and other wrongdoers can hide.
... The findings of Polarity UK's opinion poll conducted among post-accession migrants last year show that 41% of respondents don't go to church at all and 37% go less often than they used to in Poland. Young Poles communicate with each other using English or "Ponglish" - a linguistic hybrid created by the introduction of English words into their speech - and only few are sending their children to Saturday schools where they could learn the Polish language, literature and history. What's more, newcomers are not part of any ethnic organisation and tend to have an opportunistic attitude towards their fellow countrymen. ...
That is where you are wrong. The loonies camping out there are not "individuals". They represent a sizeable minority = PIS electorate - of Polish society. This is not even a piligrimage. Remember they called the episcopate "traitors".
? They were calling the episcopate on TV "traitors". I rather would call the bishops cowards in this case It is by the way about time they charge the loonies for all the police hours wasted on them. They also make the new pavement dirty by the way with their candles
Tell me, Madam, what have you been doing recently? Oh, defending a cross :) :) Wow, can you cite me which provision of your contract you are fulfilling there, Madam? I wouldn't pay some useless buffoons here a grosz. Some people are just fit for nothing and Jesus will not save them from that reality. Shout louder, fools, you just might be heard ;)
At first glance, it may seem that the Warsaw muincipal authorities,Episcopate and president's office are repeatedly lobbing the ball of the Smolensk cross issue away from each other. But the town hall claims it is not on municipal property, and Church officials say they did not plant it there, which is true. It is on presidential porperty and was set up by boy scouts, so the Komorowski gang should sort it out with the scouts directly. But the PR-obsessed president prefers to turn a blind eye lest any action on his part should affect the PO's ratings ahead of next year's general poll.
But the PR-obsessed president prefers to turn a blind eye lest any action on his part should affect the PO's ratings ahead of next year's general poll.
Or maybe, the smartest thing to do is leave it there while PiS's opinion poll ratings slide? The whole "cross war" thing has been nothing but good for PO as a whole.
A perfect example is how Abraham would have been front page news as the guy who heard voices telling him to kill his son Isaac. And we would have been shocked but instead it is being taught to children about how to love God. My point is that religious people like this stuff, after all they are nuts.
The Abraham story is metaphorical ,i think you over-rationalizing hence simplifying a story of huge sociological importance. However the cross mob are nut-cases, that is a fact.
Plenty of cross people around I see ;) Hasn't this been resolved? The Poles will still be fighting over this in 2061, LOL. One generation of babcias will pass on their defensive roles to the next :)
I agree.. Kaczyński, once viewed as a poltical animal, seems to have lost his savvy... Could the loss of his twin brother have shell-shocked him to that extent? Indeed, the cross war is serving the PO As long as they remain aloof and don't get involved. That
is why Komroowski has so far done nothing to terminate the row.
Kommie is likely still on a wine and champagne high. He's a millionaire apparently. I can just imagine him going to swanky restaurants and occasionally requesting sb to bring him pen and paper to sign whatever Tusk agreed to. If Tusk doesn't take a stand on the cross issue, neither will Kommie. When is this referendum? The public are paying for the security there so they can be enfranchised via referendum too IMHO.
Polonius3: But the PR-obsessed president prefers to turn a blind eye lest any action on his part should affect the PO's ratings ahead of next year's general poll.
Or maybe, the smartest thing to do is leave it there while PiS's opinion poll ratings slide? The whole "cross war" thing has been nothing but good for PO as a whole.
I think that is the best thing to do. Other side is that the loonies are polluting the most elegant street in Warsaw and destroying the pavement with their candles.
But no problem. Hopefully a very wet and windy autumn and a freezing winter... Every day they stay, JK goes down in the polls, that is for sure.
It was just announced by the President of City of Warsaw how much has the last month cost (meaning the cross war expenses like security, cleaning, etc.)
It would be a good idea to confiscate from the cross loonies camping on the pavement their pension to cover these expenses. After all their candles are ruining the pavement. They are the reason the police is there fulltime. This money could have been spent on other things.
What amazes me is that these people seem to think that their great leader and the dead of Smolensk would want to be remembered by the thuggish actions of a bunch of spitting, poo throwing louts.
Is this how they think the world should see Poland? their catholic faith?
Why not put their energy to something positive? Wouldn't that be a better memorial than yet another cross/monument in a city full of them already?
Because the people who are up there threatening to attack priests are utterly incapable of doing anything positive, they are simply bitter jealous hateful nothings.
Poland's First Lady Anna Komorowska has supported an initiative by some of the families who had relatives die in the Smolensk air disaster to organize a pilgrimage to the crash site in western Russia, and take the cross from outside the Presidential Palace with them.
Even though I never was against religion and I was critisizing all those atheists fighting with religion, the recent Jarek Kaczyński statements made me think of apostasia...
Last week I was in Warsaw and I've seen those ppl on my own eyes. Good Lord! those ppl are freaks! I feel shame for my country they don't have enough guts to rid them off by force. I blame the Church that doesn't have enough guts to say clearly its wrong and threaten all those freaks of excommunication for making the cross symbol the main point of that circus. Church is humilited by those cross defenders so church should do something with them. Those ppl needs mental house treatment, really!
