Mysterious death of Magdalena Żuk on holiday in Egypt

Agreed. Probably trying to take the attention off the British being racist themselves.


Agreed. But 'suicide' was it called in this clown's report.

As far as I know there isn't any connection between the tragic death of the troubled Polish holidaymaker and Britain.

The connection is that the British are racist like almost everyone else on this planet, but they prefer to point at the Polish to take the attention off themselves.

This is an English language forum about Poland. Hence discussion of matters Polish, including the tragic death of a tourist which has taken up so many column inches here in Poland.

Ziemowit is right, it's an English trait - they like to point the finger at other 'backward civilisations' yet some of the worst and most racist atrocities in the world have been committed by the Brits.

But that's a discussion for a different time I suppose.

No UK connection here, WP. Just a Polish tourist who became ill on holiday in a popular resort.


They?

Now some people are saying she was 'possessed'.
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In the same way you are 'possessed' by the PolishForums. Be careful not to throw yourself out of the window.

Only Polish tourists with many deep-seated issues do that when they have psychotic episodes.

Much as conspiracy theorists wish there were more to it.

The way you tell lies about a dead woman and circumstances of her demise about which you know nothing about is disgusting.

Evidently you have as little shame as the conspracy theorists, the tabloid journalists and the fake tv detective (the one who kidnapped a child in Norway) since you think there's something wrong in sticking to the known facts; that she had a psychotic episode, was driven to the regional hospital and died there after violent behaviour.

Oh, so you're admitting then that the Egyptian hospital was negligent in diagnosing the severity of her condition and ensuring she had the amount of care needed to prevent self-harm.

Don't be daft, Bieggers. It's hardly the Centralny Szpital Kliniczny MSWiA w Warszawie, unless you know otherwise.

The thing about lying is that is difficult to maintain it.

You said only a couple of days ago that she was alone:


I said at the time Egypt wasn't safe for Poles and you having an affinity with and loyalty to the Middle East instantly disagreed and rallied to defend the Arab Republic of Egypt.

Today you said she was taken to a hospital there so she clearly wasn't alone especially when transported and then admitted to of all places a hospital.

Although you won't come out and say the Egyptian hospital was negligent you will only go so far as to say it shouldn't be compared with those back in Poland.

You'll have to explain the Middle East mindset a lot better because you are making no sense that Western holiday makers are safe in Egypt (history shows this simply isn't true) but if they become patients in a hospital in Egypt then they are on their own.

Don't be daft.

She was on holiday alone. This is a fact.
She was taken to hospital due to a psychiatric episode. This is a fact.

Whoever said she was alone in hospital? Only you.


You are, as usual, pretending to misunderstand simple facts.

jon why are you so insistent on presenting this 'nothing to see here' agenda?
Questions should be asked about this strange episode, for goodness sake, a family has lost their daughter.
I think Gregy's suggestion that she might have been spiked on the night she arrived is a reasonable one.

Like an inquest?


The psychotic episode lasted much more than a night and her behaviour deteriorated through out her stay.

He is fervently displaying tribal loyalty towards an Islamic country. It's the same reason why he sneers at any sign of patriotism expressed by Poles and Polonia toward Poland.


So who was responsible then for her care since you claim she was psychotic. The hospital or her?

Don't beat around the bush with name calling and misdirection. Simply state which party is responsible when a patient is diagnosed with a psychiatric condition and admitted to a hospital because of it.

She was taken to a hospital. Sometimes people die in hospitals. That is why they have mortuaries.

Why are you claiming it says here that she died alone?

Such a pathetic cowardly response.

An otherwise physically health young woman is rushed to a hospital and your attitude is that "oh well, people die in hospitals, that's why they have mortuaries."

So, was she admitted voluntarily or involuntarily given the state of mind you claim she was in? How much of a language barrier was there between her, those who took her to the hospital, and the hospital staff?

exactly - would there have been a translator? Was the hospital set up for mental health problems?
Would there even have been care offered?
For example in a nearby country, nurses dont work at night, you are expected to bring a friend or relative. which this girl obviously did not have.

Who said "oh well". You, actually. It isn't an "oh well" matter.


Read the extensive coverage in the Polish language media on the issue, particularly about the role of the Polish packafe tour operator in the resort. They cover this in detail. Inn Polish, of course.

Great points. If there was such a language barrier when she was admitted then they should have immediately contacted the Polish embassy for consular assistance.

What is your opinion on the Polish language media coverage of the actual steps that the Polish tour operator took?

yes,,this guy resident speak polish quite well.


no.they drove her to wrong hospital..small local one.


nope..it was local small clinic,suitable only for small injury treating of local tourists.
for me its all strange,why she was placed in hands of few strangers for 3 days,while her mental state deteriorated so badly,hotel just decided to kick her out.leaving her on mercy of with few guys.nobody knows who they were.some residents friends.

just one day before she died,they were driving her around,from hotel to hotel,to airport ect. instead living this problem to some authorities.who would know what hospital is suitable.

its just shocking.

No it wouldn't.

For a start, spiking drinks is extremely unusual in reality its an excuse people use to cover the fact that they got drunk.

The other issue is that the drugs put in drinks don't make you psychotic.

Larium does male you psychotic and is often taken for the first time on holiday.

some do

i know a group that was spiked with mcat, that would do it, for example.

As far as I know they just make you drowsy and forgetful. There's only so many pills that don't have a foul taste - roofies among them.


A small percentage of users do have nasty side-effects from Lariam - including behaviour very close to psychosis.

Do we know if she'd got some before setting off ot if a Polish doctor had given her any shots before leaving?

no there are many psyhotropic drugs..her behaviour was very standard for someone under psychotropic drug
one egyptian doctor from the very hospital she died,claim she was drugged with flakka.