Kiszczak burial without state or military honours

Does that include tyrants?

With pleasure:

I am not Polish. You're not wrong though. Can't agree with Harry's strange version of Polish history. Both Kisczak and the above were very clear on where their loyalties lay, and it wasn't Poland, whatever the apologists may have said, as in "But the Soviets will invade..."

All the Poles I was introduced to in the middle 1980s on my first sorties into Warsaw spat on Kisczak.

Martial Law was treason in anybody's book.


Nonsense Jon. We are not Polish. But we are British, or you are a British citizen.

Are you seriously saying that it was disgraceful for people to have street parties when Thatcher died? I wouldn't condone such celebrations, but having visited some of those northern towns in the 1980s, I could well understand the depth of feeling.

While Thatcher didn't have anyone murdered on the streets, outside of state security circles, such as the Gibraltar three, Kisczak certainly did.


Cough! :( Not Gdansk..... It was Gdynia (in the most part)

And since last month, not only...


Being from one the worst hit northern places, having had a bad rime in the 80s and loathing Thatcher, I still thought it was exceptionally poor taste. I was actually in a (former) coal mining town on the day of the funeral; I didn't attend any street party, though one was held.


The time to deal with that was during his lifetime. Not tawdry behaviour to upset his widow.

How is that mistreatment? if they threw his family into gaol, that migth be a bit extreme. A convicted criminal does not deserve honours. For life-long betrayal of the Polish nation and faithful mercenary service to an alien power he should have been imprisoned, instead he was mercifully given a suspended sentence. Everyone knows you are just troll-provoking because you can't be that much of a pro-Sovietist.

After seeing that movie "Kret", I can well understand why Kiszczak and such ilk would be so buried.
And he never even saw gaol time?? A national disgrace!

So he served a sentence that you disagree with.

After massacring striking miners, I think ANY suspension's a travesty!

That was a matter for the courts during his lifetime. Not extra-judicial punishment.

Well, guess the judges were bought off somehow! SURPRISED??

I doubt anyone was bought off. Some sentences in Poland can seem unduly lenient and others can seem unduly strict.

Ever wondered why, jon? It's called corruption (korrupcja), sometimes, smoothing the way (łapówka), take your pick:-)

My wife's family were miners and mining engineers Jon. I regret that in this case you know nothing of what happened. The shock, and the disgrace that this apology for a human being brought on the Silesian community could not be expressed by film or any depiction.

There is a very good reason why he has been denied a burial with honours. His was a dastardly deed and if he were British, and had so acted in Britain under the cloak of false government, he would have paid the ultimate price - no doubt about it.

PS Silesia is my second home, paid tax and ZUS there for the greater part of my working life, so feel more than qualified to voice the opinion that I wish I were there today celebratingwith some of my many friends, two of who happened to be a part of the Wujek scene..

Never was Greek mythology more apt than with Kiszczak and his sunglass wearing mate.

The saying that is bastardised as "Only the good die young".

Both of them deserved to live long lives, protected by state agents, and watching their backs, and living through daily hate.

If there is a God then they will suffer for their crimes. It's a shocking indictment on Polish society that people ***** about an artist who was publicly forgiven, but traitors were allowed to walk free.

It's the ONLY subject that I agree with PIS on. Totally non-negotiable to anybody with half a brain

A very good decision I wholehearted support.