Kaczynski to be buried at Wawel ?!

At least he was not buried in a mass grave in Katyn.

There's the key!... A brother! Seems, that Jarosław is plotting to make a family grave!... ;->

I agree.

I've looked him up on Wiki and i can't find anything impressive about him. Although I did like one thing he said:

"purging various pathologies from our life, most prominently including crime (...), particularly criminal corruption – that entire, great rush to obtain unjust enrichment, a rush that is poisoning society,"

Since his election did you guys noticed any improvement with the wide spread corruption in Poland?


IMO, the plane crash was embarrassing…

I'm reading some news reports "floating" around the net. Is this true?

"President Lech Kaczynski, who used lurid images of gay marriage to illustrate the “threat” to the Polish nation he claims the Lisbon treaty poses." lol

If Kaczynski gets buried in Wawel,Tusk will try to kill himself.

The question is, as you are looking at this as a 3rd party observer at the moment, will there still be as much conflicting ideas on whether Kaczynski was worthy of being buried at the Wawel, in say, 50-100 years? I'm not saying he was, but many of the men buried at the Wawel also had their critics while they were still alive, and opposition. And now? They are all national heros. Kaczynski was interned during Solidarnosc movement, he did a lot during Round Table talks. Many would agree with me to say that 1989 is truly a monumental year in Polish history. Most of us are from that generation, so we may not truly appreciate it, like the next several generations after us. Was Kaczynski then a hero in his own right? I'd say he is.

Lukasz, on the other hand, wouldn't think so, and would declare Lech unworthy if put pressure on the pilots (which isn't even known or may never be known for sure)

So just because of a tragic mistake at the very end, he should be despised?

This is ridiculous, Kaczynski and his wife don't deserve to be buried at Wawel!! The people who came up with this idea are a bunch of ignorant, selfish idiots!!

Wasn't it his brother's wish?

Who are you to say that he doesn't deserve to be buried there, laywoman? You are nothing in this world. Kaczynski was someone.

I still think Warsaw would be more appropriate for burial... but I laugh at all these nobodies in the world coming on here to voice their outrage. They simply have some kind of complex, and jealousy that they will be buried in some average, old cemetary.

He soured relations with Russia, Filios. Did 'milly' do that?

He also warmed relations with the Baltic States, Ukraine and Georgia.

And actually, there was a lot of talk of President Kaczynski trying to warm relations with Russia, especially at this years ceremony. Crow had a link up... Unfortunately, we will never know what he would have done or said...


Milly has done nothing in her life to even warrant being put in the same light as Pan President. Just another mediocre.

no.. what is tasteless is that kaczka and his wife (who has even less of a standing then him) are going to be entombed at Wawel along some of the greatest Poles ever. this is an honour neither of these two people deserves.. this is so wrong on so many levels that it's hard to even express.. there should be massive protest and blockades of the castle in krakow so this lunacy doesn't happen.. it is just not right.


right on.. i'm afraid of what will come from those black boxes.. i sure hope kaczka didn't contribute to this tragedy..


yes, great point.. if that was the case kaczka would be burried at the Warsaw cemetery..


one would think so but like lukasz said, there is a bit of a precedent of pressure by the ex-prez..


kaczka, definitely.. :D


I'd be ok with him at Wawel or Warsaw Cathedral unless he specifies some other place.. His ship yard may not be a bad place either..


well... actually he kind of is there still.. or at least parts of him anyway..


that is the only thing i agree with you.. not the whole thing... just what i quoted. :)

If I die;) I want to be buried in the Wawel or the pyramids in Egypt.

need to find my family herald?
I can remember it have a knight helmet and a moon laying under the helmet

I am not aristocrat but I am a poor noble that's for sure mate
Although I don't have any special privilege since 1918 there was concluded that there are no social divisions in the Polish state like - Aristocracy - priesthood - peasants etc

We are all Poles


I personally wouldn't think of Wawel but I won't protest as he really deserves it as one of few politicians to be human-like and prioritized patriotic acts and creating museums then populist stuff

bingo.

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8620415.stm

lol...

So you're o.k with Lech Walesa, the sell-out, being buried at Wawel, but no to the honest Kaczynski? hahaha.. maybe the commie bodyguards he hired after he became President should also be buried at the Wawel. Man you guys are absoulately delluded. See my point above, no one has yet adressed it, or made a counter point.


Again, please argue against the point I made. EVERYTHING, is relative people. In 100 years when we are dead and gone, people will realize how critical 1989 was, and the heros that took part in Solidarnosc (who didn't sell out) will be accordingly praised.

Some of the Kings who are buried in Wawel are no more worthy of being buried there than a President. Same thing, head of state. And in all actuality, you could probably make the argument that Kings had much less to say than Presidents today. Nobility consisted of 10% of Polish society in medieval age, they had WAY bigger say of what happened in the sejm and little sejm than a King. Far more influence. So maybe all those nobles should have been buried at the Wawel too? It is only righteous.

I expect someone will at least make a feeble reply to this...


Sure we are, genetically. But some better than others.

Again, trying to level everything down to mediocrity... I wish Nietszche was here to back me up.

i like to admit that i`m Polish because Poles admits that they are Sarmatians. No complexes among us. We are ok

;)

just for the record, that `Lech` (in Serbian- `Ledjani`) ancient name of yours is more cool. It refers on `ice/people from ice, north` while name of Poles (in Serbian- `Poljaci`) refers to ``field/people dependent on agriculture, peasants``

just wonder do you have a such place in Ireland?

In 50 years Kaczynski will be remembered as the president that died in a plane crash. That will be his legacy.

And you will rot in some cemetary full of other mediocres. Whats your point?

You aren't Polish, and you have ZERO right to play down what he has contributed to Poland.

good question, who is he? why he landed here?

This forum is full of twats that have escaped their previous crap lives in other countries, to come to Poland. And now, they insult our President, and claim to have a full grasp of Poles, Polish mentality and our history. It's actually quite amusing...

he doesn't belong in krakow.

i am biggest Poljak here.

yes but strange is he came form US, what mindset he brought here and where he get that from?

I wholeheartedly agree with this statement.

I will indeed, what's your point? Why are you so defensive? Prove me wrong instead of resorting to name calling.

Aren't you half Polish?

Just a technical note:
after 50 years in a standard grave (6 feet, coffin etc) there isn't anything to rot anymore. Except perhaps in the case of ardent fans of MacDonald's, in which case some of their body parts will be pickled for a little longer.

Or as recent historians have found out maybe it comes from the word "plemię"?
Poland was uniting many tribes in it's time when she was created

Unfortunately, AS I'VE ALREADY WRITTEN SEVERAL TIMES, his legacy as the first President with non-communist ties and legacy of being one of the top people in Solidarnosc will be proven in decades. Many heroes buried at Wawel had their number of critics and opponents at the time of their burial. And look at them now?

Seriously, is it that hard for you to take that Poles actually think of Kaczynski as a hero, in more ways than one? You should really stick to aviation, because reasoning is obviously not your thing...


Yup, born and raised in Poland.

And you, Yank-off?


My point is that you won't even be remembered in 60+ years when you are dead. Kaczynski will be. (for numerous achievements) Maybe, just maybe if you become someone of standing, you will be able to pass criticism. As of right now, you are just some nameless, delluded net entity... One of many millions.


Remind me to start eating a lot of McDonalds then. Maybe they can do studies on my body in a few hundred years on diet.