GUYS CHECK THIS OUT....10,000 Israeli Jews sitting in Israel are going to start claming Polish Citizenship and more importantly Polish land.....
Holocaust survivors and their heirs living in Israel risk losing eligibility for restitution from the Polish government due to bureaucratic delays in confirming their citizenship, delays which attorneys for the survivors and their heirs are calling "intentional foot-dragging."
which do you find more upsetting - that holocaust survivors and their heirs want to come back to poland and claim land they once owned... or that the polish government is being seen as dragging their feet in allowing them to do so...?
neither are exactly suprising... jews are well know for claiming land that was once theirs and the polish government is well know for is beaurocratic delays...
which do you find more upsetting - that holocaust survivors and their heirs want to come back to poland and claim land they once owned... or that the polish government is being seen as dragging their feet in allowing them to do so...?
These two are valid points of view. I also think one shouldn't blame Jews for doing that - it's like a business transaction for them. The Polish government should be smarter and act much faster in that case.
"First they leave while we suffered under communism and now their kids want to come back and take our land."
NO. You suffered under communizm, because communizm is a Zionist Crypto Jewish movement. You suffered exactly from THEM. But they failed in Izrael. Now they would like to come back.
What is your problem...10,000 is a small number, but imagine 10,000 polish farmers being harrassed by Israeli's lawyers claiming the land that they live is not theirs anymore.
You seem to take this very personally....anything you want to share with us ?
You suffered exactly from THEM.
I agree with you. I know that communist was a Zionist led movement to overthrow the Tsar. Why else was Trotsky was sent from NY with all the funding he needed from Jewish bannkers ?
But Lets stay on the topic of whether we should allow Israeli's to claim for land they have not even stepped on in their life.
OK. You (True Polish) are in big danger as we Hungarians also, because while you are abroad to make money, Your Country is taken away. You are foolish, if you let them back, because they would go on what they have done so far. (abuse, kill, lie, steal,....)
But as I suppose, your leading "elite" is Jewish as well ours. I dont know if you are asked at all.
maybe, just maybe, we can do bussines togather, after all
... while Hungary as a state is just a German (well, not only German) lap dog in the region. too bad
Let us hope that Hungarian politicians won`t try to harm Slovakian and Serbian children. Let us hope that Hungarian inteligentsia can prevent hostility on local Slavs.
i would not let them claim a passport in less they were born in poland or get married to someone with polish passport. they will probley claim a passport maybe get some land sell it and then go to somewere else in europe......
They want citizenship and to buy land. If they want to go somewhere else what are land, and citizenship good for? Buy the way, how can the land be sold? Your ancestors were fighting for centuries for that land. How can a country be bought???
hey you going to england is different by european union you can go and cant be stopped and its good you do come. hey i have polish gf i like to see more poles coming to ireland all the time.... for land wise why should they get the land..... we cnat get the land back in the north of ireland that the british government took of us
Listen, if you are a true Pole, you will clearly see what is happening! The Jews are coming back to take land THAT IS NOT THEIRS! It's just like a Jew to have one hand in one pocket, and already reaching into another. Please, do whatever it takes to send them back to their own territory!
we cnat get the land back in the north of ireland that the british government took of us
True.
And nor can the Palestinians get back the land that the Israeli zionist government systematically stole from them. There are over 4million palestinians who have been refugees since mid 1946 living on the borders Syria, Egypt.
THESE PEOPLE HAVE NOT BEEN GIVEN RIGHT TO RETURN. So why should these greeedy people even think about demanding right to return to Poland, before they give their own ex- citizens right to return.
Roman Catholic Pole here. Lets see my grandfather was on the front line in ww1, started fighting for a free Poland at 15 years of age. In 1940 sent to Siberia, then joined Polish army from there British. This was one of Polands hero's that you loved. In 1951 Poland betrayed and was given to communist (lets not forget what the fight was for) his land and home given to Russia. He had nothing, his wife was gone as were 3 of his children. I am sorry but this is not just Jewish. War heros forgotten in the blink of an eye. Get the video, "A Forgotten Odyssey", or "The Other Story" and then watch "Katyn". No we do not want OUR property the settlement is 20% of the property value. Do you understand that Poland was our homeland, it would be nice if Poland wanted us back. Maybe someday I will walk the street of Poland and understand my grandfathers love of his homeland.
Quick note: Polish did not loose citizenship when deported they hold duel citizenship if born in Poland and deported. Children of deported (1st gen born in new country) can have citizenship from parent born on Polish soil.
Israel is having trouble keeping Jews there, as it is failed state...many Jews who fell for the trap of Zionism are finding that the survival of the Jewish-only state requires incessant killing, ad infinitum, and most human beings don't want to be a party to mass
murder...so many Jews are jumping ship...I would advise Poland to absolutely decline any mass exodus of Jews to their country, as it would be repeating history...Israel should become a democratic, secular state and allow the Palestinians to live like human beings on a basis of equality: this is the only possible solution...but it may be too late for
as a reflex, i'm prone to be wary of any intimations coming out of israel or by isralis.
Does poland really need this? Why welcome a problem? In a world where every political entity does have sovereign right of its course, i have to ask what Poland could gain? Or is Poland desirable again and ripe for pickings at this stage in the game?
With the human rights abuses Israel and Isralis have managed to scoff at, surely the Polish Government could use these abuses as leverage to with hold any deals until Israel treats the Palestinians like equals. What a wonderful humanitarian and political play Poland could make on these tyrants dare i say facists(yes i did write that).
I can see how this will probably play out and Poland will have to play the role of yes man to the U.S. pressure, but simply due to the source of this issue I can only hope that the government will hold the principle of universality up to the Isralies and deny them any rights in Poland.
which do you find more upsetting - that holocaust survivors and their heirs want to come back to poland and claim land they once owned... or that the polish government is being seen as dragging their feet in allowing them to do so...?
neither are exactly suprising... jews are well know for claiming land that was once theirs and the polish government is well know for is beaurocratic delays...
If you are referring to Israel, it never belonged to the Jews...what history do you read?...history according to David Ben Gurion (AKA David Grun from Plansk)?...I know that you never read the Bible and have no understanding of what it says...perhaps the Eastern Jews could go back to their original homeland, somewhere in the vicinity of Uzbekistan...they might encounter
less 'bureucratic' delay...but perhaps not...and by the way, there is an Autonomous Jewish Oblast in Russia...this could be an alternative.
"Nazi band"? Nuh-uh. Perkovic, 42, did not "sieg heil" nor did he rant against the Serbs, Jews or any other group, according to the many Croatians who were happy to interpret during the show. (Perkovic does not speak English.) Instead, in the community center of the Croatian Church of Sts. Cyril & Methodius in Midtown, he sang a lot of fervently nationalistic, mid-tempo rock songs, most of which sounded like Iron Maiden doing Eastern European folk. And he harped again and again on his favorite themes: love of God, family and Croatia. Especially Croatia, which in his music sounds like a place abused for centuries and still under siege.
"To battle, to battle for your people," he sang at one point -- that's a translation, of course -- and the words briefly turned into a chant for the room of 600 fans. Combat imagery is part of the brand that is Perkovic, a former soldier who fought against Serbian troops in the war that raged between 1991 and 1995 and who sings under the stage name Thompson, which he took from his submachine gun.
But somehow, the show Saturday night felt more like a family get-together than a flag-waving rally. Most of the attendees were in their 30s and 40s -- a younger crowd showed up on Friday night -- and everyone seemed to know one another.
New york times reporter on Thompson concert
On the 17 June 2007 at concert on Maksimir Stadium, Zagreb, Thompson in front of 60 000 people stated that he is not fascist.
English translation of his words:
I'm often attacked and accused, that we are fascists, nazis, and by this you also who listen my music and follow.And we here by say to them that we are not fascists, nazis, but Croatian patriots. We tell them that there are values that we live for. There were people that we will never forget. And there are dreams that we will never give up. Because this country was made, our Croatia, on the blood and suffering of this generation, victorious generation.
Audience in sign of approval shouted medieval Croatian battle-cry, mostly known from Ivan Zajc's opera Nikola Šubić Zrinski, today used mostly to boost moral on soccer matches, U boj, u boj - Za narod svoj, in English translation, To the fight, to the fight - For our people.
Thompson denounced Ustasha ideology numerous times.On his concert in Zagreb on 17 June 2007 he stated:
I can command nobody what to wear on my concert, and I have never encouraged anybody to wear a cap or shirt with letter "U". My message to all of them (and that I would say this evening too, if I saw [anything like that]): "Wear insignia of victorious Croatian army from Croatian War of Independence". It is sad that young people return so far in history and fall for propaganda.
During his last tour Bilo jednom u Hrvatskoj, his concert in Frankfurt,Germany(country with the strictest laws against fascism)was also protested against by Jewish Organizations.They determinedly requested that the German government to ban the concert on alleged fascist lyrics. When German government received transcript of Thompson's songs,request for banning the concert was immediately rejected.
so...crnobrdac you lie again,just your little funny friend shvraka.
oh yes,and i like to say one thing-ZA DOM! SPREMNI UMRIJETI!just like Croatian Ban Josip Jelacic,saviour of Vienna like to say to his soldiers.
not some funny nazi puppets and traitors like Ustashis and you serbs who tried to live on his glory,croatian warriors glory. serbian nazi collaborators chetnicks still have status of war veterans,croatian ustashis are banned in croatia,and if they still live,don't get nothing from state,as traitors.
