US shouldn't interfere in Polish election (Polish-American Advocacy Initiative)

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YES!!! Down with the American imperialism! Viva la Europe!

I've heard Polish Americans do not like Komorowski. Why?

Because he leans more towards Russia whereas JK will side more with the US.

This latest release proves beyond all doubts that the American Polonia are in fact complete numbskulls.


Who? There's no trace of them online.


I'm sure this meeting was arranged long before Lech died. Komorowski is the Acting President of Poland - therefore, what's the problem?


Undercut America's friendship with Poland? A PO Government and a President sympathetic to the Government isn't going to do that.

Polish American voters? Well, bearing in mind that many of them voted for some guy who couldn't even pronounce his own Polish name, they're frankly idiots and not worth bothering with. And anyway, the ones voting for Kaczynski will be voting Republican anyway, so again, no problem.

Quite amusing to watch a PiS cover group criticise America, though.


Because they know nothing apart from what the English media reports. The Polonia elsewhere tend to be better educated and able to read the language - thus they know how things really are in Poland.

It's nothing to do with who likes who (for a start : Komorowski is hardly an America-hater) - but all to do with the fact that Kaczynski makes them think of the homeland that Babcia talks about, even though they've never visited and would never dream of paying taxes to the country which they so proudly claim to be citizens of.

Quite a few of them only discovered their Polish roots after 2004 as well.

Poland is having an election?

Kaczynski's fans are completely deluded about who he is.... It is he who is pro-russian even though he denies it. A destroyer of democracy, that's who he is!

lol.. way to be on top of the news.. btw.. the election is on the 4th of july too.. :D :D



right, but not all of polonia is for duckski


once again, you don't know what the hell you're talking about..


please just shut it.. and not necessarily at republican at all.. you seem to be making some huge assumptions and making yourself look like a numbscull you accuse polams of being.. wtf dude.. lay off the vodka..


again... you obviously know nothing of the polonia in the US.. or other and you keep making yourself look like a fool.. please give it up


you are an idiot.. jeez

Exactly. If they pay taxes outside Poland for more than 5 years (not to mention,
if they are a permanent resident of a foreign country) they shouldn't have the right
to vote in Polish presidential and parliamentary elections. Why should those people
decide the fate of those who live in Poland, work and raise their kids here? Complete
nonsense.


True.



@plk123:

He made a perfectly true statement and you are insulting him. You're such a retarded
peasant, it's unbelievable :-)

it's not even close to be a true statement, douchebag, thus i had to counter it..


no, what is nonsense is the crap you both post here. now, that is the truth.

So what is the fuss? Who in PL cares about what some ppl in America who's great- great- great-granparents happen to emigrate from Poland think about the Polish elections? I mean, I wouldn't care what an American of Dutch descent would think about the recent elections in NL...

They don't pay tax and see PL (and the rest of Europe for that matter) mainly as an open air museum. Who cares what they think...

>^..^<

M-G (just my two cents)

That's what you think, halfwit.


When it comes to posting crap - you are the Undisputed World Champion. Now, that is a fact.

I know a lot about Polonia since 21 members of my family live there and my uncle is the president of the second largest polonia association in NY and 8th largest such association in USA and they know nothing about life in Poland.

Polonia in USA has this idealised view of how stuff should be while not living here and not experiencing our ups and downs.

You should stop posting out of your arse, at least you're not insulting our flag like you used to mierna podróbko Polaka.

delphiandomine wrote:


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which is case and point why Poles, people that can't speak English, and certainly people that have never been to America.........do not know $hit about the USA.

zajebiscie Delph!

delphiandomine wrote:


to some up..........what do you know about "American Polonia"? Ever met one?

keep tootin' that america-hating vuvuzela of yours, kid.

Some cretin removed my post, i know a lot of Polonia Fuzzy, 2/3rds of my family a grand total of 21 people and assorted polish spouses and kids that i can't keep track of are from Polonia and both Torq and Delphia are 100% correct, Polonia is from another planet, utterly clueless as to what makes Poland tick.

Once again, you show that you have absolutely no manners or consideration towards users of this forum. I say it again - give the money back.


How else can you explain the phenomenon that Kaczynski won in America, but not elsewhere? It's simple - they don't know a damn thing that's going on in Poland, apart from what they read in the newspapers. And those American newspapers gladly call Kaczynski "conservative".


It's not me that took a considerable sum of money from an internet forum, only to then go around abusing the members constantly for no apparent reason.


The thing with this is - I'd be in favour of stripping it from *all* of the Polonia. But the easiest, most practical way to do it is simply to strip the ones without an ID card of their right to vote. Anyone without one has no tie to Poland! I mean, if you can't be bothered to visit the motherland once every 10 years to pick up a new ID card...


No, the truth is that you're incredibly ungrateful for what this forum has given you.


Alas MG, these people have a right to vote. And they know nothing about Polish politics or the consequences of their vote.


I think they also see a very narrow view of things - for instance, Kaczynski criticises Russia and they're all "yaaay!" without knowing a damn thing about how it effects Poland. I don't blame them - they don't speak the language and the English press doesn't do a good job of reporting on things - but they really have no concept of just what influence they have.


Met a few. One of them has shedloads of integrity and refuses to vote in the elections despite holding a Polish ID card because he doesn't want to influence the next 5 years here when he has no intention of living here permanently. The others - sadly fall for all the nonsense about Kaczynski standing up for Poland and being against the evil EU. None of them, unsurprisingly, answered my question as to why Kaczynski didn't pass a bill to exit the EU when he had the parliamentary majority to do so. In fact - one of them was so badly informed that he thought Poland joined the EU during the Tusk government!


The strange thing for me - and this applies to the Polonia everywhere - WHY do they do such a terrible job of teaching the language to their children? I know several British and Australian 2nd generation Polonia who don't speak Polish.

Sure it is. The same when we had elections in the US and Poles were telling us who to vote for because Poles wanted what was best for Poland. We don't care who gets elected way in Poland, we don't like Hillary, she does not represent all Americans, she gives our money away to other countries, she is a useless piece of $hit. I hope she doesn't go because she will give our money to Poland again.

Wow. Never accept a gift from the devil PLK. Apparently there are "strings attached"


I suppose thats true enough. I personally want Poles to have what they want. Whether its aligning with us, Russia, the EU, or none of the above. Doesn't matter to me, I trust the poles to do whats right for them. It would be nice to see that courtesy reciprocated by the Europeans.

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Eurozone country. Once you take money from them you are in. Its like Europeans pretending that their countries are still sovereign. Very amusing to us Yanks :)


Why would we bother teaching a dying tribal language when English, Spanish, and Mandarin are the languages that matter? Its enough to suffer the insufferable scrutiny of you snobs when we do try to.

I suspect that idealogical differences are the real cause of the venom here. Thats fine, We have pretty thick skin and tommorrow is a new day.

It's better than giving it to Haiti and some clown's Swiss bank account.

Actually - contrary to what most Americans think, the Lisbon Treaty formally set out the conditions for EU withdrawal for the first time. Of course - any country that wishes to withdraw could simply repeal the act of parliament which allowed EU accession in the first place - therefore, they still are sovereign.

Of course, there's the whole other argument about no country really being sovereign these days, but ;)


Dying? I wouldn't call a language spoken by over 40 million people "dying" - a language which also provides a gateway into other languages!

fair enough. I retract parts of my statement.

The point of the point is that they dont live in Poland, they're anti-communist, anti-Russian and rabidly patriotic, while patriotism is commendable all of this is coupled with total ignorance as to whats happening in Poland so they always support whoever they see as the current anti-Russian hawk.


Thats actually not true, by and large Polish language is alive and kicking, some parts of my family moved to US from UK post WW2 but there's one branch thats living in NY since the first partition, thats almost 150 years and all of them speak fluent Polish.

Polish-Americans will gain the american accent to them since american engrish (not English) is what they use but in general Poles in US stick together, are medium to well off and keep the spark alive.

I'm neck deep into Polonia organisations in US, the Poles who'd drop their roots are a very small margin, most of them become lot more Polish then Poles here, i know of a grand total of three cases where Polish girls would marry a guy only if he agreed that a kid have a Polish name and learn the language, one case where a Polish man divorced an Asian-American because she was teaching their kid Catholicism is bad.

They're politically stupid but then again USA is generally a moronic country so Polonia aquired this trait, after all its their home, by and large Polonia everywhere except UK is a testament to the positive traits of our people.


60 milion.


You're still an idiot though, Poland had universities when Americans were living in log cabins and wiping with hands, your hillbilly nation is likely to not even exist if our commanders such as Pułaski and Kościuszko didnt teach your village militias how to wage a regular war so calling Poland "tribals" is a bit out of place, no?

Ad-Hominem attacks always let me know when I'm winning an arguement. :) Yes, Poland is wonderful. Actually, since "Poland" has only existed on and off as a autonomous nation when your neighbors allowed. You have been by definition a tribal group. Thanks for making me rethink that. I actually find that quite respectable. Its unfortunate that your best military minds usually decide to leave before trouble starts.


Yes, thriving. .0087% of the worlds population.


I was calling the language a tribal remnant.


I've been to Savannah and Tybee.

LMAO.. Yeah okay dude.. look at you.. and look at us. You'd still waiting in line for toilet paper on a cold Saturday afternoon if it wasn't for the EU. Point is ... you need help most of the time.. We usually GIVE help most of the time. See the difference? Who do think enforces NATO most of the time?

Is the US in decline a little, are there plent of fools here.. most certainly.. but in general we're fighting to keep people out of here most of the time. MILLIONS STILL WANT TO MOVE HERE? Understand? Strange predicament for morons, no??

You are a sad f#cking clown.. plain and simple.

For me it is but then again i'm a patriot but it has its faults, none of them is being "tribal" though.


See? Thats why i claim Americans are morons, if you werent a little uneducated chimp who by some quirk of evolution aquired the power of coherent english you'd know that for 700 years out of 1000 years of its existence Poland was a major power in Europe and everyone who had a problem with it got their arse kicked.

The only time when Polands existence depended on foreign powers was post WW2 when all of Eastern and central Europe depended on the whims of Uncle Joe.


Do you mean Pułaski who thought you hillbillies how to use cavalry, Kościuszko who thought you hillbillies how to use combat engineers and built West Point?

Wait you must mean the Poles who saved Europe at Vienna from the Turks or Polish commanders who saved Western Europe from the Soviets in 1920?

Y'know in our 1000 years of history we've had so many outstanding military minds i can't decide who did you have in mind, unlike US which never had a single great generals and its merely decent commanders can be counted on both hands :))))))


Yes thriving ethnic 60 milion Poles while how many ethnic Americans are there? Oh right 0 :))))


They're just two iconic guys out of a lot more, i'm just using them since even you must've heard something.

We've organised your cavalry, your artillery, your fortifications, we thought you european drills and engineering even West Point was built by a Pole so calling people who contributed so heavily to the foundation of the United States, tribals makes America what?

Tribal is really a compliment in the context of what I said. You're being a Hillbilly.


1 for sure. I have a card in my pocket that explains the two nations that I belong to. Hillbilly. Oh, America is two continents. There is a North one and a South one.

This is fun.

Just trying to bait you, kudos for not swallowing the hook:)


Last i checked there's no such thing as an american nation, a conglomerate of people if anything.

What do they do? Get together every month, dance around a tree and drink Polish beer while listening to polka music?

>^..^<

M-G (aren't all of those groups merely folkloristic thingies?)

They rent buildings for the cheapest possible price to the Polish schools due to being in the city council, but then again NY council this time its Greenfield (Zielonka) and Koslowits (Kozłowicka), Greenfield is my distant aunts second uncle so we're not directly related but family is family:)

Poles have been in NY city council continously for the past 100 years y'know while Dutch were busy beating up Jews and selling soap in the docks market :)))))


Political, social, historical, you get Polish schools, bars, historic and literature associations, re-enactment groups, political factions etc.

Its all dedicated to Poles preserving their heritage and having some political leverage, for example no mayor of New York or Chicago would ever dream of f*cking with the polish minority since its a political suicide.

Smelling blood in the water, In walks the opportunistic Dutch progressive!