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Polish Independence Day March in Warsaw. Is it going to be the biggest march yet?


Rich Mazur  4 | 2894  
13 Jan 2019 /  #1381
Your essay does not translate into an up-front policy.
How do you propose that any government can detect what is too much?
And how to react to it when, by the time the too-much level has been reached, the ruling elites are up to their eyeballs in bribes and self-interest the way our crooks in Washington, DC, are by now?
delphiandomine  86 | 17823  
13 Jan 2019 /  #1382
they're there to make.money not tell Poles to start giving gays more rights

No, but they're certainly there to tell Poland to give preferential rights over raw materials and to censor the media in favour of China.

China's investments in Poland should be closely monitored.

Very closely monitored. They already made threats in their own media towards Poland for arresting that guy for spying.
Rich Mazur  4 | 2894  
13 Jan 2019 /  #1383
preferential rights over raw materials and to censor the media in favour of China.

That's like in Faust. This is what happens when you sell your soul to Devil for a buck, Dirk.
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 11699  
13 Jan 2019 /  #1384
You're finally honest about the foundations of the EU and to whom it benefits the most.

Honest? That is history, for every one to read in the books. The core of the EU have been Germany and France (+ a few others around). Of course the house, the union had been build around them. Why is that new to you? This enlargement wasn't on the radar back then...

This will never happen since there's too much cultural disparity in Europe.

Hence the federal concept. We have in Germany also different "cultures"...protestant/prussian in the North East, catholic in the South West...rather left leaning multi-kulti big cities, conservative rural lands...all there...
delphiandomine  86 | 17823  
13 Jan 2019 /  #1385
The core of the EU have been Germany and France

And will be again. The UK was always an outsider that had a lot of influence over the EU, but with that gone, it will return to the original Franco-German pairing. Everyone else will have a simple choice to join them or to leave them.

I wouldn't want to be the one telling Polish farmers that there's no more financial support for them.
johnny reb  46 | 7479  
14 Jan 2019 /  #1386
It's not just the farmers in Poland that are on the welfare dole from the E.U.
Independence March is actually an oxymoron because it sure doesn't sound like Poland is independent.
Rich Mazur  4 | 2894  
14 Jan 2019 /  #1387
Good point. But I am sure that with all those Chinese investments Poland's independence will improve tremendously. (s)
Dirk diggler  10 | 4452  
14 Jan 2019 /  #1388
Going against a country, religion, agenda fall under the realm of reactionary politics. There is no perfect formula to determine what a government should do and when. And even then reactions may differ greatly between the parties. Their reaction is dictated by what the markets and people desire.

The reason for taking in more FDI from the east is to diversify, specifically to end overreliance on Germany and other western markets. It doesn't mean that suddenly Poland will be like USA where every top college is full of Chinese kids, companies full of spy rings, media censorship and our youth is dropping like flies from fentanyl analogues
Rich Mazur  4 | 2894  
14 Jan 2019 /  #1389
But we let it happen because "it would be good for the economy". Prostituting a kid is good for the family economy. too. Sick.

"Their reaction is dictated by what the markets and people desire." No. It's dictated by what the moneyed ruling class desires. What people desire means s*** here. Just as it did in the communist Poland. Nobody here desired to have his job shipped to Mexico or China or wished for 20 million of illegal scum.
TheOther  6 | 3596  
14 Jan 2019 /  #1390
with all those Chinese investments Poland's independence will improve tremendously

Yep, they sell out to the highest bidder, but at least they can stick it to the French and Germans. That's worth it, isn't it? :)
Rich Mazur  4 | 2894  
14 Jan 2019 /  #1391
It sure is.

To the sellouts because the sellouts never suffer the consequences. By the time, s*** hits the fan - actually, the disappearing middle class - they are either dead or happily sip drinks with little umbrellas on a nice Cayman beach. In the evening, they gleefully count the money they didn't pay in taxes the rest of us need so desperately to support the illegal scum and their little bastards. Who, of course, are US citizens, and not deportable.
Dirk diggler  10 | 4452  
21 Jan 2019 /  #1392
I was at the hilton in wroclaw and I couldn't believe how many Chinese and Koreans there were... even 5 years ago an Asian face was kind of rare save for the viets that have been here for decades. But now there's a ton of the new rich Chinese and they're desperate to make businesses in poland and sell their products here. Ita a great opportunity for polish consultants and corporate attorneys. Dudes are cash rich and they do the business the old fashioned way where a man's word and rep is most important
delphiandomine  86 | 17823  
21 Jan 2019 /  #1393
Damn, they won't last long in Poland if they do business like that!

I mean, I wish it wasn't so... :( It's one of the few things I genuinely dislike about Poland.
Dirk diggler  10 | 4452  
21 Jan 2019 /  #1394
Yeah unfortunately not. If you're a small/med sized business and don't have connections in courts a contract won't matter much in a business dispute anyway though. I've seen so many times where a case goes on forever and eventually the plaintiff just gives up, or the court doesn't want to deal with it so they just a verdict based on how they like a person.

Pis is right that the courts need reform, but putting in party members and supporters just as po has done in the Supreme Court won't change a thing in the lower courts

Most the Chinese entreprenuers and small businessmen have polish partners though acting as importers/distributors. Rest were corporate types working for the chinese/Korean companies. The balconies are right next to each other with little barrier unlike skytower where it's more private and they'd like sit outside smoke cigs and talk to other guests. One dude was there to buy 5 units in a mixed hotel/condo building and sublet them. They love poland though you can bet there'll be more and more Chinese and Koreans coming here
OP Spike31  3 | 1485  
24 Jan 2019 /  #1395
According to new opinion polls
88.8% of Poles think that the EU serves mainly German and French interests.
76.6% is against taking any migrants from different cultures than European.
74.9% is against transforming the EU is some kind of European superstate.
73.4% thinks that the EU limits the sovereignty of Poland.

Polexit may be not as improbable as many people think it is. All we need is another migrant crisis and pressure on Poland to take in "refugees"

Source:Estymator
medianarodowe.com/unia-europejska-to-biurokratyczny-moloch-ktory-ogranicza-suwerennosc-naszego-kraju-prawie-75-polakow-zgadza-sie-z-tezami-ktore-od-dawna-glosza-politycy-partii-korwin-i-ruchu-narodowego/
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 11699  
24 Jan 2019 /  #1396
All 90% of the Poles???

Almost 90% of Poles believe that the European Union's policy serves Germany and France more than Poland, and almost 75% believe that the European Union aims to limit the sovereignty of Poland.

Korwin? Really?

Such data results from the report "Opinions of Poles about the European Union" prepared by the research company Estimator at the request of the MEP of the KORWiN Party, Dobromir SoĊ›nierz.

*wanders off*
OP Spike31  3 | 1485  
24 Jan 2019 /  #1397
So you're saying that the results of the polls are directly connected to those who request them?

Or maybe that public research centres shouldn't be trusted at all?

*Spike is making a note for the future reference
jon357  73 | 22934  
24 Jan 2019 /  #1398
Here's a report of another poll:
"A new survey by pollsters CBOS shows 92 per cent of the Polish population wants to remain in the EU, up three per cent on the last poll - with just eight per cent wanting to leave, down three per cent."

Support for EU membership reaches record high in Poland

independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/poland-eu-membership-support-for-membership-courts-rule-of-law-mateusz-morawiecki-juncker-a8149876.html
delphiandomine  86 | 17823  
24 Jan 2019 /  #1399
Source:Estymator

Estymator are notorious for producing wrong polls for who pays them.

Come back when you have the polling methodology used. Asking 1000 bald people wearing "patriotic" clothes in the street does not constitute a poll.
Miloslaw  21 | 4944  
24 Jan 2019 /  #1400
The Independent cannot be trusted either,more biased news......
Just more lies,damn lies and statistics.....
Seriously,you are better off judging things by what people say to you than trusting all this "fake news".
jon357  73 | 22934  
25 Jan 2019 /  #1401
The Independent cannot be trusted either,more biased news.....

It's one of the more balanced news websites and certainly not 'fake news'. If, however, you read the post carefully, you'll notice that they're reporting on the poll rather than conducting it. The poll is an official one conducted by the Polish government.
delphiandomine  86 | 17823  
25 Jan 2019 /  #1402
The Independent cannot be trusted either

CBOS is funded by the government...
bolek_tusk  3 | 156  
25 Jan 2019 /  #1403
Polexit may be not as improbable as many people think it is.

Polexit is a non-starter as long as Poland is a net beneficiary. Why would anyone think otherwise?
delphiandomine  86 | 17823  
25 Jan 2019 /  #1404
Nationalist fantasies.

The reality is that Polexit will never happen because of the completely different dynamics here. The large amount of family owned farms that receive generous EU subsidies would never agree to give them up.
Rich Mazur  4 | 2894  
25 Jan 2019 /  #1405
I got it. Poland was unable to feed itself before EU. In fact, in 1939, German army found nothing but skeletons barely able to walk from starvation.
delphiandomine  86 | 17823  
25 Jan 2019 /  #1406
Let's just remember that Polish farmers today are wealthier than they've ever been. Asking them to give up their wealth is tantamount to political suicide.
bolek_tusk  3 | 156  
25 Jan 2019 /  #1407
Source:Estymator

Whenever looking at polls it's important to see who commissions the poll and what was actually asked for.
delphiandomine  86 | 17823  
25 Jan 2019 /  #1408
Not only who commissioned the poll, but also who was responsible for it. Estymator are incredibly unreliable and not credible.

I tend to pay most attention to the polls published by Rzeczpospolita.
jon357  73 | 22934  
25 Jan 2019 /  #1409
it's important to see who commissions the poll

The Polish government.

what was actually asked for.

Whether or not Poles want to remain in the EU.

Easy, really...
Dirk diggler  10 | 4452  
25 Jan 2019 /  #1410
@Spike31

Yes but despite all those problems and concerns majority of poles dont want to leave eu. Main reason is the freedom of movement and goods, with the funds 2nd. Every polish family has atleast one person who worked or is working abroad usually uk, germany, usa etc. Poles dont want to be cut off from the w european countries where jobs are better paying.

I think that once poland is a net payee and the country is spending billions to coddle muslim migrants which are basically financially awarded for not assimilating in addition to the money that will go to albania and other new comers the approval for eu amongst poles will drop. Also it doesnt help that the eu keeps infringing upon polands sovereignty and sticks its nose in domestic political affairs while ignoring problems in countries lead by individuals who love kissing up to the eu

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