Polish Independence Day March in Warsaw. Is it going to be the biggest march yet?

That's what the mass immigration is for! :)

But seriously Ziemowit, with so many non-Germans living in Germany, from all over Europe now even from far across the world...where would you make out a new Germany mentality? And how should all these newcomers handle WWII? Where do you draw the line?

Is it even possible for an ever more mixed people to have and change one mentality?


You can have different talents and still be equal, right?


Which conflicting interests? To live in a stable society with a well off economy through peace and cooperation on the continent?


Nobody was forced to take german money, they begged for it.


We managed quite well for the last 50 years, thank you very much!

See? You bought the official line of German taxpayers having to send money to untrustworthy Greeks, in reality 95% of money that went to Greece went straight back through to German banks, who would prefer for people to not realize that that's what had happened and are happy to keep up the pretense that Greeks (and not bad loans made by German banks) are the entire source of Greek problems.


All good things must end.... and that era of Europe is coming to an end now. Hopefully not in war, but... it's coming to an end.


I only do that when crazed Serbian nationalists try to turn him into a hero....

Greece is a failed state that never should had been allowed to become an EURO zone member.

Germany helped out as their sh't exploded into their faces to avoid worse...that's all there is. And yes, the money Germany helped Greece out with was on the funds of the honest german taxpayers.

If you want to cry tears on behalf of the Greeks, please go elsewhere.

I'm leaving now too, and when you want to start another round of that dreary "Nobody likes Germany" - spiel I'm now armed with lotsa links which prove that the opposite is true and I will post them as often as you do.

So, till later...

Now it is... after the Euro and a very close encounter or two with German banks... it's stuck in a permanent depression with no way out. Yay EU????


Yes, the architects of the Euro should be in jail for massive financial fraud.


I never said that, I said Germany doesn't have the kind of soft power needed for the role it's increasingly defining for itself.

And your dismissal of Greek suffering just kind of.... proves that (and that the EU can't deal with real conflicts of interest within itself)

Okay...we are immensely popular AND we have the hard cash....there is not much more soft power to have!

Everything else is only in your head!

*closes door*

Greece and Germany in the EU club makes as much sense as Arnold arm wrestling a village drunk. Or a Yugo racing an S600. Or a wolf inviting Bambi to dinner. Or Mexico and the US in NAFTA and open border. Sick.

Yeah sure, let us just ignore that those loans were not forced on the Greeks. The Greeks wanted them so desperately that they falsified their financial data (making the banks the more likely victims) and blew the cheap money on stupid vanity projects (like the Olympic games) and higher pensions without creating anything sustainable. The Euro was a huge opportunity for Greece to invest into their economy. Instead they wasted it and had to ask their European partners for help. Which they received. (It is important to note that Germany was far more friendly on Greece than most of the other, poorer crrditor nations were).

nytimes.com/live/greek-debt-crisis-live-updates/little-sympathy-for-greece-in-parts-of-eastern-europe

As a side note, the Greek opinion of Germany has significantly improved when Germany came to its' aid during the refugee crisis (when most other European countries refused to do so).

amp.handelsblatt.com/thawing-relations-how-greece-learned-to-love-merkel/23536938.html

"Germany is facing a spike in migrant crime, including an epidemic of rapes and sexual assaults. Mass migration is also accelerating the Islamization of Germany. Many Germans appear to be losing hope about the future direction of their country."


Shame on them. Unconditionally loving Germans and Germany should be mandatory, regardless of facts and political situation. I'm honestly surprised and even shocked that this statement wasn't clearly written in Lisbon Treaty.

A village drunk runs out of cash to buy more booze and the village bank lets him borrow more money. Did I get it right?

If that's the case, who is the village idiot?

The link you provided is relatively old, so the stats is not the latest ("138,000 Germans left Germany in 2015. More are expected to emigrate in 2016"). Also, it is obvious that the website has some "agenda", so it is does not seem to be a reliable source.


I don't know in what country you live, but here in Poland the attitudes of people towards Germany are closer to what BB describes than to what you seem to suggest. Of course, people have their reservations towards the Germans (I myself have them) and many remember family history going back to the WWII, but people are realistic and can clearly see that Germany has changed a lot since 1945.

Ziemowit, you may find this interesting: thelocal.de/20170810/here-are-the-top-countries-where-germans-immigrate-to

In short, Germans are emigrating to other multicultural societies.

Germans moving to Lake Balaton aren't moving there for work, they're retiring there because a German pension goes a hell of a long way in rural Hungary, especially as everyone speaks German around Balaton anyway.

Spike has some very curious ideas about Poles abroad though. I've been to Berlin many times and I've never seen a Cyfrowy Polsat dish.

Citing German migration to Hungary as an indicator for problems is just hilarious, considering that far more, often young and highly skilled Hungarians from the (significantly smaller) country are migrating to Germany than vice versa. It is also important to note that many Germans who migrated have a foreign background (especially Germans with Turkish background).

Then again I would not expect anythibg else from this source... .

Edit: Or what delphies' source says:

What I find interesting is that despite that claim, the amount of Germans actually leaving to Hungary are minimal. I suspect that there are retirement homes for Germans around Balaton - a quick look shows this, for instance - pflegeheim-balaton.eu and a bigger list here - beste-seniorenheime.de/pflegeheim-ungarn - from what I can see, it's a popular option.

I can back Spike up on his claim of the large number of dishes in Greenford and in fact surrounding areas too.

He speaks the truth.

The same counts for Poland. A lot of retirement homes in Silesia have started advertisement in Germany. And why not, they offer excellent care, and the price is fairly low.

For Germany it is an excellent trade. We get Hungary's young, highly skilled nurses and doctors (thanks to Orban, more and more liberal young people are leaving), though less so for Hungary.

Makes perfect sense really. Young educated people aren't staying in Hungary, they want to live a normal life, and they're not going to get it in the poorly funded and corrupt Hungarian healthcare system.

Is Greenford in Berlin?

Neither of you are reading the thread properly.

He said he could not talk about Berlin but could about The UK.

I'll believe it when I see actions backing up that claim. Returning Polish works of art robbed by Germans during WWII would be a good start.

"the Ministry of Culture and National Heritage founded the Database of War Losses, as of 2013 containing over 63,000 entries"

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_looting_of_Poland
lootedart.gov.pl/en/


I thought that you've already got 2 millions of young "engineers and doctors" from North Africa and Middle East? :-)

Isn't it so strange that you keep pushing the same anti-German attitude on here while praising pro-Putin parties in Europe.

I wonder what could be your agenda. Hmm.

It would be nice if Poland did the same. We would like the Berlinka treasure back.

A booming (and ageing) economy like Germany can never have enough of those ;)

Yeah because poland stole billions worth of art not to mention what they destroyed in germany and all the Germans they massacred....

Too bad the majority 2 mil doctors and engineers are unemployed and expected to be for 5+ years. Yeah what every economy needs is more freeloaders for the tax payers to support.

I'm pro-Polish first and foremost.

Obviously, by defending point of view of Polish politico-economic interests I will become anti-something by default. By also pro-something with doesn't collide with Polish interest. Putin is not one of those latter things :-)

To understand that, my friend, you have to open your mind and use a skill of logical thinking.


Are you trying to compare a massive looting done in Poland by German Nazis during WWII to a collection of German art that they've left behind in Lower Silesia when they were running away from the approaching Soviets?

So why would you support anything that supports Russia? That doesn't sound particularly pro-Polish to me.

Anyway, if you were really pro-Polish, you'd pay taxes in Poland.

Not at all. Poland rightfully insists that its' cultural treasures are returned to them. It would be nice if it would do the same and give Germany back its cultural treasures as well.

Seeing as soon the only art coming out of germany will be paintings of Muhammed without a face and masks with bones through the nose, poland should keep any and all German art from the past. It may become priceless as the German people end up replaced in their own country and merkel implores her successors to erase German sovereignty. This is a country where women who have braided hair are automatically far right and must be denounced. Even the police question people about their political affiliations...

We can call the exhibit ode to a dying people or cultural suicide

The UK is becoming a nation of ghettoes. I'd much rather live in a Polish ghetto than a Pakistani ghetto.

Where I come from, if you see a white person in the street they are likely to be speaking Polish. The English have all left.

Back? I have thought that was all compensation you said it yourself. Now you are backing our of that claim or you are just dimwitted and don't know what you are saying.

Beside it is stuff from Prussia and it is Prussia that owns Poland a great deal. Let Prussia return Royal Crowns and stuff that they have stolen and put gold and jewels for some nefarious purpose. Also it is a theoretical talk, Germany is doing nothing to return stolen goods to Poland.

Many of those unique pieces of Polish art were destroyed by German nazis during war. Many of them very destroyed deliberately. A huge chunk of Berlinka collection would have to compensate for it in the event of such a hypothetical exchange.

There's no hurry though. I think Poland should wait until we get a better political position for such negotiations and also making an international alliance against Germany would be very helpful. That shouldn't be hard since you looted and stole from half of Europe. I believe that Italians have similar, yet smaller, claims against Germany.

cnbc.com/2019/01/02/italian-art-museum-demands-return-of-painting-looted-by-nazi-soldiers.html


And in which part have I supported Russia against interest of Poland? Quote that fragment to us.


I will once I'll start my own business when I'm back.

Also, you have to remember that the country is rich not by the amount of taxes it collects, but by a cumulative wealth of its citizens.

I believe in the minimal state which means greatly reduced bureaucratic apparatus and making all non-critical state functions run by private, preferably Polish, capital.

The only area, due to our geopolitics, where I think the state should increase their spending is an army.

For who? Such an alliance could only be made up of countries economically dependent on Germany, like Poland. What happens if Germany forms an alliance against that alliance, and proceeds to turn off the flow of cash? Who wins? Not Poland.


You're openly boasting about people like JKM, Le Pen and Salvini, all of whom are supporters of Putin and who have received Russian cash in the past. Tell us, how can this be in Poland's interest? What happens if Italy and France decide that they no longer want to support Poland financially, and that they would rather divert the money into countries with closer links to Russia, such as Bulgaria and Hungary?


When when when. Flights cost 39zł from Stansted. Get on the plane, start business. It's easy.