Polish Independence Day March in Warsaw. Is it going to be the biggest march yet?

sure Germany didn't change they bend over to Russians to build NordStream I paying no attenition how it would possibly affect Polish situation - PO naturally didn't complain because the are German sycophants - there are voices in Germany who raise concerns with the Nord Stream 2 but they are not influential enough - yes Poland has changed - you know why - because people grew fed up with your puppets - Germany hasn't changed in the slightest -- it forces their egoistic policies against Polish interests

That really does sound like propaganda taken straight from TVP.

PiS are always ranting on about how countries have the sovereign right to dictate their own affairs, so why don't they shut up and keep out of internal German affairs?

Kaczyński hasn't order anything - there is simply no dialogue with Russia, we cannot influence Russia into anything - Poland supports international sanctions against Russia - Poland actively seeks to become independent from Russian natural gas dictate - i understand you hate PiS and will use any argument to denigrate them no matter how idiotic and counter-factual

Far as I recall pis regularly made statements about the German dominance in media and banking which many Poles are sick and tired of.

Germany regularly interferes in Polands politics so no reason why Poles shouldn't do the same. It'd only be fair... Nonetheless Polish influence in Germanys politics, economics, etc is far far smaller than Germanys influence on Poland.

They even had the gall to demand we let in non eu people into our country because Merkel made a foolish decision inviting 1-2 million third worlders and they couldn't cope.

For a start: dw.com/en/stoking-anti-german-sentiment-in-poland/a-16456568

Then you can follow it with - foreignpolicy.com/2018/10/05/polands-new-populism-pis/- particularly:


And you can follow it up by reading the next paragraph, which shows how Russia is barely mentioned on the news, while anti-German pieces appear frequently. Please do explain to us.

again we have no leverage on Russia - there is no point of stoking any kind of emotions against Russia - and the actions of the government speak louder than some conspiracy theories - PiS do have an interest of disenfranchising PO by showing their German allies act against Polish interests - also German media including the state owned television channel show the current governmet in disparaging light - noone asks them if they should interfere in Polish affairs

Many Poles aren't fond of German interference. Pis is merely using a popular opinion to their political advantage. This sentiment picked up even more after 2015 when Germany specifically Merkel was dictating what Poles should do in their own country. When Merkel demanded Poland share the burden she invited in and called for her fellow eu cronies to fine Poland it really upset Poles and pis seized on that. Also, Po is considered by many to be German boot lickers and lap dogs pushing German interests in Poland, oftentimes ahead of Polish interests. So of course they'll bring Germany t hl

What a surprise.... Tusk was hand-picked by Merkel to manage her eastern province.

He knew which side his bread was buttered and always managed to stand up for the EU (Germany) against Poland whenever there was a dispute.

Do you have any proof for your statements? It would be a nice change...

Everyone knows tusk is Merkels lapdog, only on days when he's not shilling for juncker and the rest of the EC though...

What he did with may recently with the cherry picking photo was straight up manipulative and mean. You can never trust a guy like that

well, some people in Germany might pretend Tusk is a charismatic leader who brought warm water into Polish taps to paraphrase his own definition of his policies while in the prime minister's office

Well, at least now they can stop complaining about Nordstream, I guess with Tusk it wouldn't had happened...if Poland treats Germany as an enemy what do they expect?

Or...as everyone knows "What goes around, comes around"!

Idk how long you've been around Poles or if you live in Poland, are familiar with Polish society, etc. One thing I can tell you and perhaps you already know this is that Poles love complaining and aren't too good at returning a solid. Poles will thank you for a gift, favor etc but returning one in kind may be a different story. Poles also tend to be among the most jealous, envious and gossipy peoples. At the same time we'll always complain how wqeve been wronged which in many cases we have a point, but its something they won't ever move on from. It's like a woman who remembers that one thing you said during a fight exactly 837 days ago and won't live it down no matter how much you try to make up for it.

Thus, I wouldn't expect Poles and Polish leadership to back off nordstream 2 anytime soon. The whole reparations thing will keep coming up too.

I don't expect anything from PiS...it's shadow leader is a gnarled, embittered man refighting the wars of the past.

When something happens it's because there are alot of question marks concerning Nordstream in Germany too, regarding Putin that is.

Truer words are rarely spoken, but you still forgot one Polish biggie: no matter what, the first answer is always "no". That's where they start way too often to be just a one-off case that happened to me because I was mean. To survive here, they have to drop that s**t but takes some time and effort.

Perhaps he's not very happy about Tusk and Putin conspiring on bumping off his brother!

wpolityce.pl/polityka/428221-prof-krasnodebski-tusk-byl-kandydatem-merkel

It's all in fun here, but do not say anything of the kind in Poland unless you want people to think you're mentally imbalanced.

And why woud they be doing that?

Any rational person would reach the same conclusion as me.

Here's a picture which says 1000 words.

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Vlad - 'Deal done, see you in Smolensk on 11 April 2010, Donald.'

Then a large majority of Polish people are not rational and you might want to rethink plans about living among such a deluded population...

The government poured vast resources into its smolensk investigations and has.... absolutely nothing to show for it.

The PO-PSL government created the Miller enquiry which was a joke.

A later enquiry found otherwise...

Ask yourself why won't the Russians hand over the black boxes nine years after the crash.

Do you remember what Ewa Kopacz said about the victims bodies and the subsequent discoveries when the coffins were examined?

It is a huge coverup.

It's treated as a joke in many circles now. Even a PiS supporting friend openly admits that the only purpose of it was to mobilise the disenfranchised section of society, nothing more.

If they were interested in a real investigation, they would have put together an investigative commission with real experts, not clowns looking for easy money.

Here is a picture of a plane crashing in a forest:-

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Notice that the plane did not split up into 1000's of pieces scattered over a large area.

Apparently (according to the Russians) the TU-154 strikes a birch tree yet breaks up into a million pieces scattered over a square mile

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Maybe someone here can engage their brain and think for themselves about the likelihood of the Russian version being correct.

The large majority of any given population is not rational. That's why democracy in a long term usually leads to socialism.


You've got a PiS supporting friends? Well, well :-)

PiS is just a lesser evil (it is only good when compared to so called liberal opposition) and a proxy to bring a real change in a Polish politics that is National Movement and a real conservatives such as JKM, Braun etc.

Polish voters in general don't like sudden changes in politics so introducing Nationalists first to Kukiz 15 and then PiS makes them feel more comfortable with more radical National Movement and JKM rhetoric. The future is bRight

If I were the Russians I would demand that all Polish pilots be retrained and first of all learn to follow the civil aviation rules: ergo - keep that cockpit door firmly locked, and don't open it on any account whatsoever for some suicidal general or populist president.

This is proper tinfoil hat stuff Bolek - if you ever move here you will be able to mix sith a dwindling band of fellow believers but even in a village most people would think these really weird views

the article you linked to is 9 months old, that's all the PiS commission ever did, announce breakthroughs that were going to happen any day now.... and never did.

how long you can still believe in that process is a good indication of your emotional stability.

For the record, I wouldn't put it past Russia to do something like that if it thought it could and there was evidence, but there's no motive and no evidence, so.... no case.

You do know that the "enquiry" was a complete farce, and that they failed to provide a single piece of evidence to suggest any sort of cover up or Russian involvement?

It's been over 3 years now, they've also inspected the wreck in person, yet there's still nothing. Why? More importantly, it's important to note that they haven't even made any of their "calculations" available for analysis. Why?

And for a laugh, do tell us about the experts on aviation disasters on the commission in question. How many are experienced accident investigators?


That rhetoric has hardly any supporters in Poland. Most people don't want football hooligans and free for all capitalists to run Poland, as witnessed by their constant electoral failure.

Brilliant. Couldn't say it any better. Democracy eats itself into bankruptcy in slow motion. I have zero doubt that the word "sustainable" goes better with China, Russia, and Singapore than with the US and the UK.

I apologize for going off the rail but I found Spike's comment irresistible.