Polish Independence Day March in Warsaw. Is it going to be the biggest march yet?

That will be me then.

I think you've just proved that not only do you not live in London, but you're not very familiar with the city. There is no such thing as a 'white neighbourhood' in London and there is no correlation between the affluence of a London district and the ethnic make-up of its population. Those are American concepts.

Due to the particular kind of social housing policy pursued by the British government for decades after WWII there is a social and ethnic mix in every Borough of London. In a single street of spacious Victorian villas you can have a postman living alongside a Baronet. The Baronet owns his flat, the postman rents his from the Council or a Housing Association. Or you can have a very large house in an affluent area like Hampstead, divided up into bedsits and inhabited by international students, lowly civil servants etc. whilst next door you have a stockbroker. That's just how it is. At least 20% of housing in any part of central London will be local authority/subsidized.

Even if you look at an area like Notting Hill Gate, you can pay a fortune for a villa in Pembridge Gardens but the moment you step out on to the Portobello Road which is your local shopping district you will encounter your Afro-Caribbean neighbours. The only 'white' neighbourhoods that I can think of off the top of my head are Jewish enclaves like Golders Green.

Admittedly, there are areas of London where the Muslim population if that's what you're thinking of is only about 10% but even those areas are not 'white' because there are plenty of brown and black skinned people living there who are not Muslim. I remember years ago for example Holland Park was full of rich Africans and Arabs, also loads of Arabs in St John's Wood back then.

Germany has changed a hell lot since the end of Warl War II as a result of that war and as a result of the policies of the Allied Forces introduced to the occupied country. Of course, there have been people who prefer not to, as in any nation. But you seem to dwell on stereotypes which are still widespread in Poland being the aftermath of the war. I may tell you about my one week long visit to Berlin this year after which my wife who is typically pro-PiS, anti-immigrant and has some not particularly pleasant experiences from her trips to the former DDR could only observe that people in Berlin were "very polite". Neither she nor myself noticed signs of Germany heading in the direction of a "muslim state" except perhaps for a quite a number of dark-skinned people around the district of Charlottenburg in the vicinty of which we stayed.

I could recommend to you reading a very good and a recent book "Deutsche nasz. Reportaże berlińskie" by Ewa Wanat. The author comes across a wide spectrum of subjects on contemporary Germany, ranging from the Protests of 1968 (a short, but excellent analysis of that in Germany in the context of the WWII) through the immigration of the 1960s to the wave of the most recent "Merkel" immigration. Some very interesting interviews with native Germans, Muslim immigrants, Polish immigrants in the book as well. Also, the author being neither German nor Muslim nor leftist nor rightist presents a very balanced views on the variety of issues discussed in the book. She makes an interesting point saying that the Germans have created immigrant ghettos in Berlin themselves by allowing them to settle in certain districts of the city only. Also, Ewa Wanat describes deportations of well-settled immigrants from Germany,too. She does not save the Germans critical remarks as well.

Thus, having read this book, you may end up enlighting yourself on many aspects of life in contemporary Germany in the contezt of immigration and may perhaps stop singing ad nauseam your highly stereotyping tunes describing Germans as if they were some strange species standing with one leg in the 1930s and in some Baghdad califat with the other.

How would you call a Wimbledon then: have you ever waited for a train on a Wimbledon station at 8AM? It almost feels like a different city. How would you solve that mystery?

And yes, I do live in London until my current contract ends and I'll be able to go back to Poland and live peacefully. I'm grateful for this experience; London has not only let me save some dough but also opened my eyes for real dangers of false tolerance and enforced multiculturalism. Something that Poland has fortunately avoided so far.

Don't get me wrong, I believe in a real diversity - in that there should be different regions [and countries] with different ethnic groups so we won't collide with each other and those unique cultural traces and traditions which define us won't dissolve in a sea of neo-marxist utopia of multikulti.

And that's also why I am a defender of autonomous national states within the EU and against the concept of European federation. Diversity is strength :-)

And what about mixed raced couples and kids? Where do they fit into your divare but segregated word?

What is funny to me is when ppl talk about tradition, religion etc as some eternal, unchangble truths while in fact the always fluctuated and changed with times.

Sorry, autocorrect. Should be diverse and world

I think you've just answered yourself. They've 'changed' due to policies of an occupying forces. That was never a deep internal change in nation's mind.

Here's an example:

"Vast majority of former high-ranking Gestapo officials simply resumed their careers as private practice lawyers after the war"

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3248330/How-Gestapo-thugs-waltzed-plum-jobs-war-horrors-chronicled-new-book-reveals-deeply-shocking-twist.html

Look how angry they get when you bring up some historical facts like they would like to completely forget about numerous atrocities they've committed. In the best case scenario the answer is: "let's not talk about past", well hard titties since the past defines who you are right now.

If you never fully processed your past you'll make the same mistakes in the future.

And they dare to lecture Poland about tolerance and about how we should run our own country. Impudent krauts.

And now Germany wants to push out the Americans from Europe with this ill conceived Franco-German EU army project. They want to be the sole ruler of the EU. Economical influence and "soft power" is not enough for them anymore, now they want to build an army. That's like giving an ape a razorblade.

So lets get this straight Spike. You would vote for May's Brexit and an end to Freedom of movement....as long as it doesn't affect you, right? You actually agree with the xenophobes that Eastern Europeans should leave Britain, them being the "white ******" and all that (nonsense)?

You come across as the usual hypocrite, one of to whom such draconian changes to peoples' rights obviously does not apply.

Londoners would tell you that Wimbledon was always considered suburban, it's not Central London, it's practically the Home Counties. Reminds me of the way Richmond is part of London now, but to me it will always be in Surrey. The suburbs of London were always middle class, middle brow, middle of the road and predominantly white, Church of England - typical leafy suburbia and lovely but a bit bland and boring. Central London has been completely different for decades now.

Wombling free:) Tory, but with a very pleasant liberal bent, and in the best meaning of the word:) A terrible "football" club when I lived there in the 80s, but beer to die for:)

And shed loads of Poles are very happy to live there, as Mrs Dougpol did, but just like Spike, a fair few of them come out with the usual racist ****, as though they don't see the hypocrisy, and didn't have an education.

{Dougpol shakes head, perplexed}

Yes, the ironic thing is that in Wimbledon about forty years ago, the very idea of having a Pole for a neighbour would have been considered most exotic and regarded somewhat dubiously by a few residents. But let them get their feet under the British suburban table and they have the cheek to complain about Johnny Foreigner and thanking the Lord that they live in a 'white' neighbourhood.

that is really not true, Atch. There were a whole heap of Poles that came over after WW2 and did very well.

Yes, but a lot of the Poles knocking around London forty years ago were actually born there :)) We have a few Poles who married into my own family and they were born in London to Polish parents who settled there after the War but like London Irish, they grew up culturally more English than anything else. I would still imagine that an obvious 'foreign' neighbour would have have been a little bit exotic to some locals in the outskirts of London. Of course as Doug says there is that lovely liberal element in middle class, middle brow England, really nice people but there are always a few very conservative types too. I remember back in the 1980s, I was watching some daytime show and a panelist (a typical Home Counties house wife) mentioned how alarmed she had been when her cousin married a Catholic as 'we didn't know what to expect'! I can still recall the bemused way in which she said 'but they're really very nice'.

Let's make it straight:

I'm all in for a freedom of movement for citizens of the countries which belongs to the EU.

I'm all in for unrestricted single European market for goods and services.

I'm against the EU as a federation, so called United States of Europe.

I'm against the EU as an ideological and political body but would rather see it a free trade alliance.

I'm against the EU being also a military pact.

I hope my views are clear now :-)

The UK wanted my skills and I wanted British money it is that simple. Once the contract is completed I'm going back to Poland cause London can't offer me much more than money anymore.

So what if the UK wants the skills of an Indian dude who is 20 percent cheaper than you ?

So true! I wish I had come up with that... :)

First of all he needs to have the same level of skills as I do to begin with.

On few occasions I did employed a virtual assistant from Bangladesh and Philippines on UpWork to do some repetitive tasks for me. They are cheaper indeed, not only 20% cheaper but more like up to 5 times cheaper in general. We were both happy with the results.

That's how capitalism works - free exchange of services between people. If you don't want to become replaced educate yourself and invest in yourself.

And second of all the whole point of working in the UK was to collect fund to start working on my own.

I'm not a corporate type, I prefer to be my own boss :-)

Lets assume same level of skills, or even higher. Is he welcome ? and not on a virtual basis - I mean can he come there live and pay tax and interact with his colleagues (and thus have a chance of promotion etc) ?

Nobody cares what you spend your money on - you can stick it up your nose or pee it up the wall in a pub for all I care. Wanting to start your own business in Poland does not give you a divine right to work in the UK. Those rights come from the EU which is why Brexit is such a stupid idea.

No, of course not. Not in Spike world. Spike appears to assume a supposed superiority, and speak on behalf of a good too many of his countrymen, who magically, when they reach the promised land, fall under the misapprehension that they are somehow brighter or necessarily better qualified than the Asian in the office, even when it turns out that the person in question is of Asian descent, was born in Britain in the 1950s, and went to the same school as whitey here.

Why are you asking me this question? It's up to Brits to invite whoever they want to, especially now after Brexit. That's not my business. I'm only here to make money and not to decide what should be included in an immigration policy of the UK.


EU is an overgrown neo marxist monster, what we really need in Europe is a single market [for goods and services and free movement for EU citizens] and nothing else.

You seen very keen on deciding Britain's immigration policy - you spout off every day about it. So you should be able to answer some simple questions

You obviously can not create a free market and free movement without some political decisions and structures

whatever job you are doing leaves you plenty of time for trolling. Maybe you work with Rich in the basement ?

For that you need lotsa treaties....common rules...cooperation...alot of snychronization betweeen it's members...meaning even adapting to fit in. There is no union possible where you get only the cherries to pick!

You're just trying so hard to squeeze me in some kind of frame that you could understand and then attack it with your blunt insults. I'm afraid I'm beyond your reach, mate.

Calm down and don't perplex yourself :-)


Here's the map for those of you who don't know where Wimbledon is before Atch push it further down to Brighton or maybe to British Channel :-P

*Blue line is a Greater London border, red line is the inner London border




Not really. Free market needs less rules than controlled market since you don't have to write a specific separate rules for each industry [and services]. Basically you only have to write a short list of what is forbidden and add that "what is not forbidden is allowed" at the end of the list.

So it's not about the complexity of such a step but about the control. Eurocrats wants to have a total control over the economy and over the societies which form the EU.

That's crap! But for a Single Market to work the members HAVE to agree to some common ground rules...subscribed to in treaties...with the EU commissions as the control body.

Why is that concept so hard to understand? You won't get a free trade single market without it...even less so free movement of goods, services and people!

Spike, it's not me who supports Tommy Robinson, or whoever the man is, and your posts are those of the Polish immigrant who feels that he is superior to the other immigrant populations. There's little point in your trying to wrangle out of the truth of the matter is there?

if you want that kind of free market with no lawyers and no rules then you will find it in Somalia or Afghanistan - the very countries from which migrants are trying to flee !

Wimbledon only became part of London about fifty years ago Spike. It was in the Home Counties before that. London is forever expanding and pushing outwards but a lot of Londoners still don't really see it as London. It's not the geographical distance, it's something much harder to define. To many people Inner London is the real London, the rest comprises outlying districts which were absorbed into London much, much later and have an entirely different character.

Stick to the topic please

Ok. Back to topic,...celebrating our countries independance is of course a nobel thing, with a small print of almost all of our legislation coming copy-paste from Brussels, and Malgorzata Gelsdorf callin all shots and acting as a de-facto self-annointed monarch.

Some more good news from Warsaw:

The National Movement (RN) and the "Freedom" party formed by the veteran libertarian conservative Janusz Korwin-Mikke have formed an alliance ahead of the European Parliamentary elections due in May next year.

They emphasize that what united them was opposition to the European Union and conservative, nationalist and Catholic values.

What do they have against conservative, nationalist and Catholic values?

If you had asked me about the number of parties JK-M created, I would have been in serious trouble in counting them.

JK-M is nothing more than a political clown whose latest great achievement was fathering a child at the age of 72.