Polish Independence Day March in Warsaw. Is it going to be the biggest march yet?

What was that mentality then back then in 1932?

What mentality in 1932 are you refering to?

Liberalism? Gay rights? Didn't you imply to be against that is somewhat part of the polish mentality? Or did I get you wrong?

Because if that would be and the stereotypical Pole is anti-liberal...anti-gay rights...who were these people in Poland back then in 1932? What was their mentality?

That decision in that time is nothing but awesome...at a time where everywhere in Europe people could get jailed and murdered for having the wrong preference.

it made homosexuality not a crime and recognized them as a group no different than poles recognizing the gypsies.

just like when you said earlier that if the german government were spending tens of billions on migrants itd be noticed thus implying my claim is b.s. despite numerous sources backing my claim up.... well so now do you say i have an image of poland whicy isnt factual, even though for one i am a pole by blood, birth and citizenship and know how my fellow poles are, but even disregard that.. fact is that gay marraige remains illegal as does adoption because the majoriry od poles dont support it

hell abortion was a hassle to pass. gay marraige? forget about it.

@Bratwurst Boy

Your knowledge of history must be better than mine.
I don't know what you are talking about.

They did that too in Interwar Poland...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polska_Roma#Interwar_Poland

Liberalism AND multiculturalism in Poland much earlier than elsewhere!

Compared to your image of Poland:


How was their mentality different to modern Poles? And why did it change?

yes relevant to the other countries absolutely. that was hundreds of years ago when poland was one of the most multicultural and liberal.countries.

today that is not the case. poland today is far more socially conservative than its neighbors.

here are the reasons why poland and poles are more conservative and lean to the right far more than w european countries

1. poland pulled out of the un migration pact alongside austria hungary usa and australia. all w european countries signed an agreement that would further change their demographics and destroy the native culture. polish government and poles dont want this.

2. 3/4 of poles are against migration from middle east amd africa. w europe takes them in by the literal boatload, poland refused.
3. the cross hangs in the sejm, religious holidays even more obscure ones like corpus christi are government holidays. Christ was declared the official king of poland. w european governments are far more secular. there are no crosses in the bundestag nor does government maintain such close ties to the church.

4. gay marraige and adoption is illegal in poland. majority of poles do not support these things. in w europe that isnt the case. gay marraige is legal amd supported by the majority.

thosr are just 4 reasons why poland TODAY is far more socially conservative and less liberal and multicultural than w europe.


of course it changed. youre talking about centuries ago. most people still thought the world was flat and the center of the universe

plus it was liberal RELATIVE to other europeam countries ar the time. just as TODAY poland is socially conservative RELATIVE to w europe

These points sound rather like consequences than reasons...


Well...not in 1932! :)

I also think that Communism killed Polish liberalism.....after that they no longer trusted outside influences.

Hmmm....maybe you are onto something here...

I don't remember gay rights being a topic in the GDR at all!

the reasons behind such views and actions are due to polish peoples experiences, culture, religion, worldview, etc.

those are simply factual examples of the reality in poland today. regardless of how someone disputes it, the refusal to take in eus migrant quotas, not signimg tue migration pact, gay marraige and adoption are illegal, cross hangs in parliament, etc are all facf.

I Guess it might be down to foreign influence, gay, jew bashing from Germany and Marxist godless liberalism from Russia.

two very nasty extreme ideology's deliberately injected into margins of Polish society by her nearest greedy imperialist neighbours.

Nazis, Soviets still have allot to answer for, not just in Poland.

yes. just as in 1991 poles changed homosexuality as not beimg a mental disease. that doesng change the fact that in 1932, 1991 and 2018 gay marraige amd adoption are illegal

poles are liberal in some respects, absolutely. but it is nothing lile the liberalism of w europe. even the more liberal PO party would be considered conservative or at the very least centrist in w europe usa canada etc. its all relative though.

@dolnoslask

idk about that. abortion was widespread amd on demand in the PRL. yet up until recently it was all buy banned. even now abortion is more restrictive than w europe

That's just sad....Interwar Poland sounds like an interesting place to be (to have been?)...


True too...

Well, back in 1932 liberal and gays rights were something different than today.

Today there is no liberalism but progressivisms. Real Liberals nowadays are considered right wing.
As to gay right, gay had and have all the right today like back then. Have same right as any other citizens. You mean - some extra rights i.e. privileges.

As IF gay parades were anything else but a ruse by progressivist to destroy society as it is. Neo-Marist revolutionaries and some useful idiots.

Those seemly intelligent people belief in few pitiful slogans. I guess it is so called virtue signaling that is that appealing.

Giving lip service to some cause currently in a progressive focus allows them to feel moral superiority without a real effort on their part. All they need to do is support some gay marriage or other BS. Sad. Those people are sad, deluding themselves like that. They don't understand themselves or other people or a human nature and they don't know what important. Jerks lol!

This kind of people during religious wars were the worst of the fanatical mob, in times of the Nazis they were keen Nazis, or Commies. They are the worst.

Yes, a new secular religion in which groups of 'special' individuals demand not equality but privileges and special treatment which is not based on their contribution to the society.

Judging from the point of sociocultural evolution Poland is on the right side of the history with this one.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sociocultural_evolution

Now we just keep on doing what we're doing and wait patiently to reap the fruits

Sounds exactly like PiS if you ask me. They've been giving themselves all sorts of special privileges and special treatment without actually contributing anything to society.

And the nationalists marched side by side with them, LOL!

Everything sounds like PiS to you. I'm afraid you'll have to live with it :-)

Unlike the most ferocious Polish nationalists who remain firmly outside of Poland's borders (and don't have to deal with PiS generated messes....)

Isn't it strange? They shout so much about Poland, but they won't even come here to pay taxes and contribute economically. What's stopping them?

I'm sure they have very good reasons which they'll expand on while mentioning their plans to move just any day now.... and they'll keep repeating that (while making sure to stay well away).

It's apparently the same with Russians and Putin, the most fevered pro-Putinists are Russians in the US...

Same with Croatians and Serbians too, you can read so much rubbish online written by them, yet they seem remarkably unwilling to give up their lives in Canada/Sweden/Australia to actually return to those countries.

It really would be so much better if they admitted that Poland isn't really their home.

Its a great shame that Poles failed to support ethnic unity of Serbians, no matter their religious provenance. Imagine that somebody say that Protestant or Orthodox Poles aren`t Poles. Plus, imagine that then for example Protestant Poles say that Polish language isn`t Polish. That those who separate from Polish ethos steal heritage of those who still feel Polish. Imagine that level of injustice. Can you even imagine that?????

And all that is just fraction, a tiny fraction of injustice done to Serbs. Imagine that. Right now in this very moment, EU support this, work on it.


Just to clarify things to you, my dear professor. Its one and same people separated on two because of great Austrian and Vatican`s and later German investments in it. Still, formation of Croat ethos isn`t finished process. Only in Zagreb (Capital) and surrounding areas you can find 100% convinced Croats. Rest already rising their heads and resist. As process croatization is one way to germanization.

Same is with Bosnia and Herzegovina, with Bosniaks who are nothing but Islamized Serbs, from time of Ottoman Turkish occupation. Vatican was later involved by supporting Austrian idea to croatinize Muslims (Bosniaks- Islamized Serbs)

In Crna Gora is also similar. Serbs exposed to montenigrization that is kind of italization. Vatican also involved.

Stronger Serbian state, stronger will be resistance to croatization, bisniaksization and montenegrization. Plus, if Serbian state manage to get deal with Vatican, no problem and Serbia will have content population.

So, that on that, if truth is even important. If not, if its insulting, I apologize.

post-communism that for you and your ilk seems to be just the thing you like about Poland. You're against All those traits be it cultural, national be it others characteristic of Poland that are not a part of the Soviet influence. You love that mercurial post-commie, post-colonial society where you can thrive. What it say about you as a person eh?

All those values that survived Soviet occupation you despise them. You're like a little Bolshevik commissar - you are a bad person. Is that cause you bitter and resentful?


Oh another one who is doing great in the post-commie reality. Has PiS ruffled your feathers, oh I'm so sorry for you ...not! It is a shame that an American would be like you're.


listen if Serbians cannot sort out their own mess, no one is gonna help them, Let it sink in! Stop spewing utter nonsense! You're an embarrassment for Serbians.

That's a very well known psychological phenomenon.

Many of the Turks in Germany have voted for Erdogan...but none of them packs the bags to return to the promised Sultanat. They prefer the living standard and also the freedoms Germany has to offer.

It's common that expats develop a strong nationalism and that kind of split personality. That has to do with keeping to the roots in a foreign land, to rescue something from home. That's what connects them. And the longer they are away the more rosier and blurrier the memory becomes. That fogs their political decisions too...since they often only get their infos from nationalist media outlets and don't know anymore how life really is in their home country they have left for many years.

Many of the Germans in the US were more Nazis then the Germans at home during the Thirties...

Okay, this is just terrible branding. The use of term "post-communist" as an insult is just etymologically wrong. Anything that came after the communist government is 'post-communist' (including dear comrade Jarek Kaczyński). It's a descriptive term and turning it into an insult implies that communism was better (as it might have been for many PiS-ters).


Yes, I'm fine in Poland after communism since the communist period was tremendously destructive toward everything I value. If you're not in Poland it must mean you prefer the PRL!

In some way you are right. Our Tzar Dushan Nemanjic was Catholic and most Serbs was Catholic back then. Then Dushan, moron, decide to brake free from Pope. And who knows, it could maybe work but, Turks came and broke the spine to Serbs.

I'm not using it as an insult. Not in my previous post. I use as a descriptive term for a lack of a better one and I even supplement it with another term - a Soviet influence.


Well. don't know about comrade part but surely he is a part of that post-commie mentality. Name someone better in Polish politicks? Do you seriously claim that PO was any better on the top of being a mixed bag of corrupted scum, con artist, intellectual nonentities and imponent self-glorified pen-pusher who wouldn't have lasted a second on their sinecures in a free not post-communist society.

You're pretending to be some impartial observer while in fact you're a part of the problem. As I said that a shame given a fact you're an American you should know better.


Poland is not after communism. That is the crux of the matter. Like China is not after communism. Same goes for Poland. Hell, there is no better term than post-communism /post-colonial period where everything is just a mess.

There are needed institutional as well as legislative changes plus all involved into rotten structures, system of PRL1.5 should go.

There was no change after 1989 there was transformation not freedom. If you familiar with a movie 'Transformers' you get my drift. System transformed itself into something that looks different but at the core remain the same.

Do you really think so?

IMHO the core of communism was/is the synchronization of it's people. And everybody who dared to be different, to have a different opinion, wanting to lead a different life was to be hammered back into the uniform mass...being opressed and threatened...jailed, expelled or even killed. The lack of choices was at it's core!

That has stopped, hasn't it!

Isn't it rather so that many people today have even problems with all these choices they have (and consequences of them)? That many people lament the highly individualist nature of the current system and it's lack of a common direction, a common "folk"? A kind of "nostalgia" wishing back a kind of (even forced) political, ethnical, economical, even sexual homogeneity?

How can you say the current system is at it's core the same like the communist one?

It is not the same,but many people see many similarities to it.