Polish Independence Day March in Warsaw. Is it going to be the biggest march yet?

Next time you Poles better prevent Duda to open mouth during march of independence. Pervert will ruin your energy and desire for salvation.

Could you put some meat on that insult? Like names and what "ultra-conservatives" want. If you have the time, of course.

Like Macron, I can insult The Man without mentioning that person by name:-)

Ah, terse again. I know, time is precious.
You know only one "ultra-conservative" - with no name and no idea what he wants. But you are sure he can't count and read. I got it.


Just curious. Are the teachers in Ireland as ultra-left as in the US?

WHO keeps taking this thread OFF TOPIC Lyzko ?

You guys wanna know whats crazy? I was around on the day of the march although unlike last year when i got deported and believed in this crap or country (before realizing their females need to be taken care of first before they point fingers at anyone who wananbe west and kardashian) i didnt participate. At złoty tarasy or the mall i literally think there was a dead body the media here covered up. i saw a guy with a bag on half his upper body just ignored while cops talked not even handcuffed just talked to two guys next to him nesr the down steps there while some ambulances stood away and the body was just laying there.

all I have to say is the only people that act like the polaks of warsaw in california are the spiks, gang members and everyone inside institutions such as prison. what does that tell ya?

Interesting. Can you offer more details?

I agree, however, the framework should be as not intrusive as possible. The ideal state would be to follow (and be ruled by) an idea and not by set of rules. If you have to make a specific set of rules for each area of life for society to function 'properly' that means that your civilisation is already dying.

...and, based on what we know about teachers - at least the American teachers - teachers should be the last group asked to set the rules. That 95% Democrat voting record reminds me too much of the 99% election results in Poland. Scary.

If you're talking about governing a country you need rules in the form of laws. This is earth, not Paradise. Utopia, where everybody conforms to a philosophical ideal is not going to happen. Poland is a Christian country. A good Christian is thoughtful and considerate of others. He doesn't wake his neighbours up at 2am by drilling and hammering, yet it happens in Poland all the time. Therefore we need a law that sets a reasonable timeframe each day during which such work can be carried out and that law needs to be enforced.


If you want to know about Ireland and the Irish education system there's plenty of information on the internet, but the answer to your question is 'no'. Firstly, Ireland s an overwhelmingly centrist country and secondly the education system is still largely under the patronage of the Catholic church. If anything, teachers in Ireland tend to be a fairly conventional bunch.

You've got to be kidding...

I thought that had been proven to be a total desaster during the last century, every time!

Yes, for Germans there should be a set of strict rules so you behave :-P

@Bratwurst Boy, I wasn't talking about Hegelian philosophy which inspired Marxism or heavily distorted Nietzschean philosophy which inspired nazism. Especially the works of Nietzsche were bastardized by dull German Nazis to the point that they didn't even resembled the original ideas.

I was talking about inspiring ideas of Aristotelian and Platonic philosophy and ethics which has guided Europe for centuries to become the brightest point on the map of this world. It was so powerful that most people don't even realize how much impact it still has on our way of thinking.

And also in a wider sense, no set of rules will help to keep order when a given society doesn't follow moral and ethical values.

Imagine living in a town full of thugs [unethical society] and fitting a reinforced doors [strict rules] to keep them away. Sooner or later they will break in, no matter how strong your locks are. The brute force will prevail.

And now imagine living in a village full of people who follow a certain moral and ethical code. You don't even have to lock your doors to feel safe...

As a side note: my grandparents do indeed live in a village in Poland in which most people don't lock the doors when they go out to church or to visit their neighbours. So this parable is based on facts :-)

Fantasy, at least in Poland. Villages are home to some of the worst behaviours in Poland, including rampant alcoholism, animal abuse and domestic violence.

People aren't suddenly going to change their ways and become moral citizens.

No joke, we work much better with rules and laws! :)

Maybe it's me being German but I will chose the rule of law anytime over some lofty idea... they never work!

The rule of law is all fine, but it needs to be based on certain principles [what is lawful/legal and what is not] and those principles are based on ethic and ideas [which behaviour is appropriate and which is not] . In Europe it is obviously based on 3 massive pillars: Greek philosophy and ethics, Roman law and Christianity. Remove one [or more] and the whole construction collapse.

The weakness of law which is not deeply rooted in ethics and morals is especially visible in times of chaos like war or revolution. When the law enforcement doesn't work as it should be some societies become barbaric while others still remain human.

Same as with kids: one kid is good only when parents are watching and the other one behaves even when there's no one around to discipline him.

I don't think you will find anyone here disagreeing with that...

The first rule of the german Basic Law is:

Die Würde des Menschen ist unantastbar.


Some others are:






gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_gg/englisch_gg.html#p0022

I think these are some good ones for starters....laws deeply rooted in ethics and morals!

Yes, that's all fine. What I would like to clarify is that there are two types of societies in this regard:

Society #1: in which is ruled by the set of rules which is enforced on them by the ruling body. This set of rules may be resented by the society in the future when the political situation may suddenly change.

Society #2: in which moral principles were deeply imprinted into its collective mind for generations and then manifested itself into the codified set of rules [by default].

Which one, in your opinion, is modern Germany?

I fear we are still stuck with #1, as are IMHO all current human societies...

There are to many in every society who just don't care..or are opposed about for example equal laws for women or people of different religion or color...the human rights are not at all "imprinted" on mankind at this point and most probably won't be anytime soon.

That's makes the laws so important. Without these laws enforced by the ruling body you would get the darkest middle age again...and chaos, where only the strongest ones rules.

By "societies following imprinted moral conduct" I don't mean some neo-marxist framework of enforced fake tolerance :-)

I'm simply saying that the set of rules must be grounded in a traditional moral principles of a society. If it isn't, it simply won't last.

I think the main problem is that Germans believe in all-powerful state to which an individual have to submit. And in Poland people would rebel and disobey the state if it drifts away too far from a natural law.

More on that: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_law


Interesting fact: in Poland, there's a highest ratio of women to men on SEO and CEO positions in Europe [44% to 56%]. Polish women achieved that on their own merits since there are no state-enforced affirmative actions in Poland.

I disagree...societies change, with them the moral principles. Yesterday was the german 100 years anniversary fo women's voting rights. If tradition would be everything they still would have to walk a few steps behind their "masters".

Also it is widely accepted that it is amoral and unethical to rob, rape or kill, but it happens. It's a kind of human tradition! Without laws to punish such behaviours it would be gruesome on our streets.

I don't see anything nice and admirable in a such a chaotic society where people disobey for fun just to show what rebels they are......juveniles do that.

They do change but it's a slow, evolutionary process that cannot be "ordered" with one document.


Tradition is like a framework on which you can fit new rules and laws when needed. But remove the framework and you're left with nothing.


Ha! :-) You don't see nothing admirable in rebelling against tyranny of the state. You call a disobedience in face of totalitarian state "juvenile". I'm not overly surprised. You've got a totalitarian mind my friend. This way of thinking has lead Germany into "trouble" in the past and will continue to do so in the future.

I guess if not for Poland the East Germany would still be a communist state to this day, heh.

It can be ordered, of course.

How long would you had waited to break with tradition to give women equal rights to men? Till all the men all agree???


You are left with a set of laws! :)


I don't see anything admirable in rebelling for the rebelling sake...resistance against tyranny is something totally different.


What do you mean with the natural law? The main natural law is the one of the survival of the fittest after all...

Serbian media writes that march of independence at first was forbidden and then government allowed it and joined in attempt to channel energy of people >

MARŠ NACIONALISTA TRESE POLJSKU: Na obeležavanju 100 godina nezavisnosti prisutan i državni vrh (VIDEO)
kurir.rs/planeta/3153383/mars-nacionalista-trese-poljsku-na-oblezavanju-100-godina-nezavisnosti-prisutan-i-drzavni-vrh-video

Glad to me to know that this movement erupting despite stance of either opposition, either ruling establishment.

Velika je Poljska!

Yeah, right. Just like Cultural Revolution in China...


Haven't you had a philosophy lessons at school?

Is Plato:
a) a pet dog of Mickey Mouse
b) a brand of Merlot wine
c) a Greek philosopher

OK, I'm not taking a **** anymore :-)
Get familiar with basic principles of natural law. The more you learn the less susceptible you are to manipulation. It would be especially useful in Bundesrepublik of Deutschland which serves neo-marxism to its citizens in large quantities. But don't get too smart cause you won't fit in :-P

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_law

Well....right now Germany is a most respected country. The best, most civilized country we Germans ever had. Our basic law doesn't rely on religion or old traditions though. We must have done alot right. That supports my opinion that traditions can and often must be supplanted by a set of laws. Rules grounded in universal human rights.

Keep playing with philosophy and dreaming of the ideal world...

Ideal world doesn't exist. The idea is not something that you can achieve but rather a goal which you pursue in order to perfect yourself and the others around you. It's a driving force for our actions.


Most of what I see in Western Europe is a regress not a progress. The idea of communism has bankrupted, socialism is a dead end which spawned political correctness that slowly eats away Western societies and progressively makes them dumber, chauvinism such as Nazism - I think I don't even have to comment on that.

Capitalism, the most effective economic system, has become a dirty word.

Christianity is being pushed out from public consciousness [and public spaces].

Greek philosophy? Those pesky Greeks has made a pursue of the truth their main philosophical goal. That doesn't go well with cultural marxism which is based on a lie, so to hell with those Greeks :-)

A hostile culture has found a way to Europe and is moving in large numbers. This reminds me of Vandals pillaging Rome. The beginning of the end.

Thank God Poland has remained sane. 30 years from now I'll be sitting in my garden in Poland, sipping red wine and reading news from the world.

Not every generation has a privilege to observe the end of civilisation.

Off topic, Spike31, but if truth be told, it was some of Herr Kant's philosophy concerning the "obedience to a Higher Will" in his 'Critique of Pure Reason'

which sent Germans over the edge.

For me,this guy says it all intelligently.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=sxBLgYXIljs&list=WL&index=49&t=0s#searching

He said that he would not waste any time arguing with the march critics.
I will go one up: when those outlets criticize Poland or the US, I am even more impressed with Poland and the US.

Rich,either you have changed your tone,or I have seen a different side of you.
Because I find myself agrreing with many of your posts......just back off on the anti Polish stuff.... :-)
And i no longer believe that you are a Russian troll or a Johnny Reb sock puppet.....Johnny,you can unblock me now and I'll send you an apology....