Polish Independence Day March in Warsaw. Is it going to be the biggest march yet?

@delphiandomine
Wait a minute, are you saying that you didn't even attend?!?! Wow, from your in depth knowledge of the event I would have thought you were there documenting everything. Wow just wow...Pathetic

If you hate Poland and it's people so much why do you live here? I disliked the western way of life so much that I sold my business and left ALL my friends behind to move to Poland, it should be a no brainer for you to move back to the west where life is sooooo much better apparently. Stop pushing your crazy liberal views on normal everyday people, no amount of kicking and screaming is going to change anybody's mind on these forums. As for evidence, I'm not sure what you're wanting proof of but I've got tons of pics and videos although none of them are going to sing to your narrative.

Nah, both Nazis and Fascist had been an answer to the failure of Marx's predictions to materialize.

I'm not sure fascist Italy or Nazi Germany had been marxist societies before...the "Reds" had been after all the main enemy, after all the minorities and weak and other "undesirables"...

It's very far fetched to conclude a kind of disappointment about it's failings from that.

It's also abit unfair....after all for the leftists "internationalism" is everything, they even had a hymn, the "Internationale" to sing it's glory. Nationalism/Fascism/Nazism is a kind of contrast program to that!

I'm assuming he's referring to the failure of basic Marxist predictions to come true. The richest states (UK, US, France etc) were supposed to become communist. Russia was the last place, in Marxist theory, that would go communist.

Fascism and Naziism were both responses to the economic and social dislocations of WWI - as I write this, the Euro and austerity are wreaking havoc on young people's lives in Southern Europe, who knows what will be brewing there. Salvini isn't the culmination he's the beginning and it's only going to intensify...

And it will all end again in blood and tears as before...why some people need to repeat the errors of the past is beyond me!

They're usually convinced that they're avoiding the errors of the past (even as they repeat them...)

Look Marx predicted that so called working class will rebel against factory owners and kings and create a state ruled by workers or whatnot.

The WWI give that prediction a final rebuttal. Workers were fighting for their respective rules/king and countries.
Mussolini received telegram from Lenin with congratulations on his accession to power. By the way Mussolini was know Marxist in Italy before creating fascism.

That what I meant.

Furthermore a narrative that places fascist or Nazism in the right of the political spectrum is clearly a false narrative. The same goes for claims that are being made that fascist equal ultra-nationalism. It is simply an erroneous belief. There is no evince for it.

Yes, a nationalism was an ingredient of the fascism as in case of Nazism was racism(or rather an extreme racial hiccup, dividing whit people into races geez) and tribalism (including revival of a neo paganism) but it wasn't its defining characteristic. After all Stalin in a sense was a nationalist to some degree - his slogan socialism in one country, Gandhi, Churchill, American Founding fathers, hell all those anti-colonial movements were nationalistic as well. It doesn't make them fascist.

What define fascist is their collectivism- all encompassing state and nothing outside the state.

Nazism was a National Socialism, do you think they put SOCIALISM there for fun or to mislead people? eh?


That is a common misconception too. Shia and Sunni are both Islam their differences viewed by an outsider are not that great, yet they had been fighting each other for centuries. Wars between protestant and Catholics they are both Christian yet that didn't stop them.

The idea that commies and Nazis cannot be both Marxist at their core just because they were enemies or were fighting each other or competed with each other couldn't be further from the truth.

Isn't that obvious?

Marxism is invention of western Europe and you will note that never happened to western Europe.

Crow Stop spewing nonsense. Are you getting senile?

Don`t say that pane. I underlined serious fact. Marxism was invented by western Europe and then nicely penetrated on the east of Europe. They got idea, we got sh**. That`s how they like it.

In one of most popular Serbian online media BLIC, political analyzers speak of Poland`s strategic situation. Analyze is concluded by pointing out that Poland, being isolated in Europe, sinking in hands of US. When EU leading powers (Germany and France) press to re-establish balance on their eastern border, if still isolated in Europe, Poland may face serious problems and become kind of battlefield in clash between western Europe and USA. Hopefully, only battlefield, in political sense.

Source: blic.rs/vesti/svet/poljski-rulet-zemlja-se-sve-vise-okrece-od-eu-ka-americi-i-evo-zasto-to-moze-biti/x9fn8v1
POLJSKI RULET Zemlja se sve više okreće od EU ka Americi i evo zašto to može biti VRLO RISKANTNO
/translation: POLISH RULET Country more and more turning back to EU and opening to USA and this is why this can be risky/

Such a titles (or sub-titles) are often in Serbian mass media and always refers to Serbian mourn for Poland`s golden age, when Poland was truly independent, during Commonwealth. In this article, Kaczynski is seen as man who at least tries to restore Poland`s independence. Analyzer speak how Kaczinsky faces serious obstacles exactly from US and Israel, while already feels pressure from EU. Article also speak how Kaczynski retaliated by demanding war reparations from Germany and by disruption of North stream project.

Analyzer only worry that is Poland still isolated and obviously turning in zone of clash between world powers (EU and USA).

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I'm not attacking you personally, I'm attacking German mentality as a whole which you represent. It's a self-defense from Polish perspective really. Germany has always, and it still does, tried to control Poland in every possible way.

That didn't change in a recent years since the Bundesrepublik is still using it's soft power: political influence, mass media, economical power to enforce certain decisions on Poland which are against Polish interests.

Historical enmities are admittedly difficult to break down as are age-old hostilities between neighbors often hard to overcome.
I do though believe that post-Wall Germany HAS honestly turned over a new leaf and any time in the not so distant future any mean ol'

Nazis show up anywhere, the "new and improved" FRG will kick 'em right in the swastika where they belong!

You're making the same mistake the nazis did, thinking that political instability and fascism are a result of ethnicity. They're a result of instability and Germany is very stable (too stable if anything) while the southern flank of the EU is horribly unstable, hemorhaging the young who can't make life plans due to EU enforced austerity and under ethnic pressure by expanding populations from Africa (it's not a 'migration crisis' it's ethno-racial expansion in the face of a vacuum)

No, a chief reason for the rise of Nazism (among many others) was the deep-seated fear of the returning chaos and uncertainty of an unstable leadership as

occurred in 1918 with the collapse of the short-lived Communist "gov't." under Kurt Eisner, a Jew as well as a Bolshevik!

So destabilized were the Germans by this fiasco that they vowed to themselves never to be in such a tenuous situation again, hence forsaking liberty aka democracy for the security offered by Hitler that the German people would never again have to make any independent decisions as "Father Fuehrer" would guide them into the foreseeable future.

As Otto Wels uttered around the time just before the Nazi Seizure of Power: "Take our freedom, take our lives, but not our honor!" (Freiheit und Leben kann man uns nehmen, die Ehre nicht).

Interesting that all who ever worked against Poland, indirectly or directly, praise Polish flag. Seams that photos like those above didn`t come only from Serbia. Times change, obviously. Poland now have new friends.

Adam Mizkiewich, Prince Czartorisky, Zawisha Czarny, Jagilonian Kings, etc great Poles, puzzled with new era, probably turning in their graves like propeller.

Poland should never allow the western globalists to pervert the meaning of "nationalism" that way homosexuals perverted "gay".

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Video: Antifa tries to crash Poland Independence March, get immediately BUSTED

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The words on the plaque depicted need to be read in the context in which they were spoken by their author Philip Kerr. This was somebody who lived through World War One and participated in the Paris Peace Conference. His attitude reflected the feelings of his generation that Nationalism had lead to a global conflict that had wiped out millions of lives. He was born into a world that still believed in Imperialism, Empire, conquest and colonization. He supported the policy of appeasement towards Hitler as did many who remembered WWI though, also like many, he later changed his mind, when he realized what Hitler really was (and bearing in mind that Kerr died in 1940, he cottoned on to that fairly quickly).

The idea of a Federal State of Europe was born out of a wish for peace, that we should not have a repeat of the two Wars that nearly destroyed us. I don't see a need for any further integration of European states at this point as we no longer face a threat from each other, but the general principle of co-operation between European nations remains desirable.

Just as his comment shouldn't be taken out of context, it shouldn't be taken as some kind of higher truth either. Imperialism led to WWI just as much (maybe more) than nationalism and any European federation will drift toward being an imperial project.


Yet the EU is bound and determined to further integration no matter what the pesky citizenry wants... an army next? How is that even possible?

I think the EU has done a lot of good (esp before the hell currency of the Euro) and is generally a very desirable thing but the integration-mania needs to stop before they wreck the whole thing and undo all the good it has done.

It won't work that way!

You totally ignore that millions of Europeans are PRO closer integration. The numbers differ from country to country....those countries where a majority is against they won't be part of it, which will lead in time to two spheres of integration. A core, which will grow to a United States of Europe in time and those who settle for less.

I guess even those on the outside will have even different sets of integration with the core, some will be closer than others. And some might even decide to join at a later point. The US weren't the full 50 from the beginning either.

You should think about a time frame of a whole century, it will go slowly, over many decades....but happen it will, I'm sure of it! It's not a political vision of some far gone elites but a necessity of the global developments. Those together will be much stronger in the future world than those alone! Economically, politically and militarily.

Please find a poll that finds a majority in any country in favor of closer integration. The poll I could find had no more than 30% of German citizens wanted closer integration.


In other words an imperial dream....

How much of what makes Germany German are you willing to give up for the sake of closer integration?

Imperialism stemmed from Nationalism. The expression of pride in one's nation and natural desire for sovereignty then morphed into a desire to expand one's territory and forcibly subsume 'inferior' nations.


It's not so much an army as a military alliance, a mutal defence pact. There's nothing new about that. However it would take that idea a bit further. Obviously each nation would retain its own armed forces but there would probably be greater cross-border training initiatives and so on. The Irish army for example already go to the UK for training exercises and the Brits have been trained in peacekeeping tactics by the Irish. That's been going on unofficially for years but about three years ago they formalized it and signed an agreement which also gave the Irish army surplus British military equipment - saves us a few quid! Now that was agreed between us and the UK, nothing to do with the EU. The British and French armies have also been training together for years. The fact is that by the time an idea is mooted publicly it's already been going on behind the scenes for some time and is already a reality but the public is only vaguely aware of it, if at all. There's no need to get one's knickers in a twsit over something that already exists :)

It's also about being independent of America. In theory, we have enough manpower, equipment and expertise shared between us to defend ourselves from threats. We shouldn't be having to cozy up to the USA administration for that. America has problems enough of her own and the idea of Europe continuing to rely on a fickle US adminstration for assistance with defence is not a good one.

Uh? Imperialism (Rome, Ottomans, Russia) is older than nationalism (which only really got started around the 18th century or so)


Exactly! What other integration programs are going on behind the scenes right now?

What is Scotland giving up to be part of the UK? Or Wales?

What is Iowa giving up to be part of the US? Or Montana....or Vermont?

United States of Europe...what do you think that would be???

That for example:


ft.com/content/ad6c198a-c877-11e7-ab18-7a9fb7d6163e


Old news from 2017.....

I meant Imperialism in the modern context Maf.


I don't understand why it worries you so much. Integration between the nations of Europe has thus far benefited Europeans on the whole, far more than it has hurt them. I'm not worried about Ireland being overrun by Norwegians, French or Germans 'imposing' their culture on us :) Look at the number of Poles in Ireland and they haven't destroyed Irish culture, rather they've absorbed a lot of it themselves whilst retaining their own.

There is a gazillion Poles in Germany though...I quite start to feel abit polish! :)

A big dysfunctional mess? The whole problem of the US of E is that it's trying to play someone else's game rather than trying to


Not a good analogy, Vermont is a founding state and Montana was created by US expansion not by integration.


So, you want German to have the same kind of lofty status as Welsh or Gaelic? You want the Bundestag to disappear? It would be pointless in a US of E, smaller assemblies in the lander should be more than enough. One olympic team? One seat on the UN? One World Cup team?


If that's your position then fine, but earlier you said (and I quote) "I don't see a need for any further integration of European states at this point" You don't see a point but you're okay with letting them continue behind the scenes?